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Emergency Evacuation

08/29/2012 12:19 PM

Whenever there is an impending hurricane, evacuation measures are implemented, usually buses provided by emergency agencies. Since hurricanes occur along coastlines, there are also rail lines that parallel the coast. Why don't emergency agencies utilize the railroads for evacuation. I think a lot more people could be evacuated by rail in a shorter time than buses and autos on congested highways. Has anyone given this any thought?

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08/29/2012 12:45 PM

One main concern would be most passenger trains are electric and ran from over head wires. The storm may take them down stranding people on the tracks in a worst situation then if left at home.

More temporary housing available to buses because they are able to travel where trains do not. In land away from the storm not along the coast where the brunt of the storm is felt. If we move every one along the rail line soon the rooms available will fill up.

Another possible reason to consider that they want to get the buses out of harms way also.

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08/29/2012 1:12 PM

The trains I have in mind are pulled by diesel locomotives which is common all over the country. Electric is only used on the northeast corridor between New York and Philadelphia. The problem with buses is they can get caught up in traffic. When a hurricane is brewing, the direction of evacuation should be away from the front; not along the same path the storm is taking. If a storm is traveling south to north, for example, the best evacuation path would be east or west. The same goes for tornadoes.

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08/29/2012 2:31 PM

" the best evacuation path would be east or west. "

As anybody who has tried to outrun a hurricane can tell you, the storm will follow you no matter which way you go....

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08/29/2012 4:31 PM

Wull, gosh, mate! Have you thunk of maybe taking a holiday to Antarctica right now? Isaac's gettin' real close and you sound like the perfect bait. lol

[just kidding!]

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08/30/2012 9:42 AM

Posted a few days ago from a resident in Florida:

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08/30/2012 10:04 AM

LOL! "Quick! Call FEMA!" Can just you imagine the furor over that pic if it were of a plasma TV instead? "Billy Bob? Now how did that git all the way over here?"

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08/29/2012 3:19 PM

'...If a storm is traveling south to north, for example, the best evacuation path would be east or west. The same goes for tornadoes....'

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The best evacuation path from hurricanes is inland and upland. The storms severity quickly diminishes inland. Flooding is biggest concern inland which is why higher ground is advisable.

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The best evacuation path from tornadoes isn't really an evacuation path; going underground to a storm shelter or to the most stable place you can quickly reach is about the best you can do. Trying to run from a tornado isn't the best idea.

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08/29/2012 1:01 PM

I think that the critical reason that trains are not used for emergency evacuations concern the logistics of train usage. There are nowhere near as many passenger cars available today as when steam locomotives were king. So the volume of people that can be on the rail at one time will be far less than than the volume that can ride on busses. Also busses can much more easily change their route than trains can. This not only allows a bus to take alternate routes but now boarding and departure locations need not be fixed locations. Remember an evacuation is an atypical movement of people. Railroad lines are designed to serve typical movements of people.

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08/29/2012 3:38 PM

Trains are never on time anyway.

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08/29/2012 5:52 PM

Neither is the weather bureau! lol

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08/29/2012 10:26 PM

I can see the news now. While nearly 300 patrons waits for train, Hurricane slams into railway station, initial reports that the casualties are high.

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08/29/2012 5:40 PM

We could play games with Isaac's head, one third go West, one North and one East, he might get confused and go back out to sea.

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08/29/2012 5:53 PM

He's already confused. He's a teenager for pete's sake!

Oh.

You're talking about the Hurricane?

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08/30/2012 1:35 AM

Why do folk live in hurricane prone areas in inadequate/inappropriate dwellings anyway?

If they didn't have to be evacuated in the first place then there wouldn't be a problem.

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08/30/2012 5:37 AM

Exactly. Apply Darwinism.

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08/30/2012 5:48 AM

Take trailer parks for example.

The trailers aren't even trailable.

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08/30/2012 7:11 AM

Tell that to a twister!

They done put up a trailer park outside the little piss-ant town near where I used to live and the town hasn't had one single problem with tornadoes since. During one really bad storm last summer there was a twister coming our way and just before it made a right-angle turn you could almost hear it say,

"HOT DAMN!!! TRAILERS!!!"

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08/30/2012 11:57 AM

300 school buses were drowned (except for one) during Katrina. This proved that when the city/state is granted sole responsibility for the public safety BY a hoodwinked public, the outcome is a personified disaster. The ONE bus that got away from the motor pool was repurposed by a teenager to remove his family and neighbors to safety, upland from New Orleans. This required ingenuity and heroism at the molecular level of a huge society, an idea that heretofore was considered unnecessary by the city/state. Trains with flat cars and box cars have often been repurposed just for mass evacuation during severe weather and conflict. The problem is two part. One, people want to take all manner of possessions. Two, many people don't want to be cattle in a box car. However, this could be solved easily if the city/state could find more teenagers, the ilk of which commandeered that lone school bus and have them make suggestions for which dependent adults could finally take personal responsibility.

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08/30/2012 12:52 PM

I recall seeing footage of all those buses.

What I remember is, that during the disaster, the feeling was, someone should do that, but thats not my job or responsibility.................... don't know if it was spelled out in the union collective bargaining contract, if it was it may not have been right, but was legal.

I also recall, Walmart and its logistics team was a savior.

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08/30/2012 10:21 PM

or ships. the problem is that no one wants to abandon thier homes until they're waist deep in major sh#t.

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