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Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/14/2012 10:38 PM

On a globe valve body, it's shown an arrow indicating
the direction of flow (to which the valve should be
aligned at installation).

Will there be immediate consequences such as malfunction,
for not following the direction of Globe Valve Arrow
due to certain (perfunctory) installation ?

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/14/2012 11:08 PM

It depends. Not only that, but the arrow can have a different meaning of showing how the valve is supposed to close against pressure. I.e., when closed, pressure should be under the seat rather than through the stem area.

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/14/2012 11:11 PM

The short answer is yes. If the valve doing something important.

Perfunctory means: performed merely as a routine duty; hasty and superficial:

2.lacking interest, care, or enthusiasm; indifferent

Turn it around!

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/15/2012 12:56 AM

For a common single seat globe valve design with a pneumatic diaphragm actuator. The spring forces the plug to close (down) on the seat against upstream pressure. If installed backward -depending on process flow and pressure- the upstream pressure will be on the wrong (top) side of the plug.This will cause the valve to pop open if the actuator can overcome the upstream pressure, and slam shut. Thereby eliminating the capability to throttle the valve at near closed position.

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11/15/2012 11:12 PM

In addition, installed the wrong-way-around the valve will have the crown packing under pressure when the valve is off--thus more probability of leaks.

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11/15/2012 4:12 PM

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11/16/2012 2:01 PM

good one, once I understood "backwardese".

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11/15/2012 10:50 PM

Arrows cost money to manufacture and fit correctly onto the valve so it probably does matter.....or the arrow comes with every handle regardless of real need or otherwise.

Can the handle be reversed? If so then it probably isn't critical, if not then it most likely matters for the very good reasons already posted.

Do you have an identical spare that you could examine to determine whether or not it matters which way the flow should be?

Who knows, there may even be a manufacturer's name and a part number or other description emblazoned on it.....?

How hard is it to turn around? Was the perfunctory installation executed without unions or other deficiencies that render it difficult/impossible to non destructively remove for service?

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/15/2012 11:19 PM

This is about a globe valve, rather than a butterfly or ball valve....

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11/16/2012 1:07 AM

Right you are. Yes it really matters.

I still wouldn't mind knowing why OP needs reversibility (can be installed ass about) as an acceptable attribute though...

How hard could it be to make it right?

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11/16/2012 12:01 AM

The valve should be installed as per the arrow direction only. Globe valves may operate in partially open condition and the reverse flow may damage seat , plug.

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/16/2012 12:14 AM

That is not the whole story. Please see several preceding posts.

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/16/2012 1:01 AM

Once I faced a similar situtation. The valve was fitted with the arrow in the reverse direction. The vessel was filled with 18000 litres of an inflammable solvent and 18 tonns of oilcake for extraction of oil from it. When the valve was opened for sending the solvent for circulation, there was no flow. It was found that the connection to the spindle and clack came loose. The valve was acting as a non return one. Not a drop was coming out. It was avery big problem, since the plant could not take any tools, that were sparking.

I solved the problem, by introducing a compressed spring in between the clack and the body of the valve ( a 4" valve ), while keeping the spindle closed tight. I connected the pipe leading to the pump. When the spindle was loosened, the spring started acting on the clack, and the solvent came out without any loss whatsoever. After draining the solvent, the valve was removed, the clack tightened, and we started the process alright.

It does matter when a globle valve is fitted with the arrow in reverse direction

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/16/2012 7:41 AM

Unfortunately you did not describe your process or identify the valve manufacturer. Therefore, I assume this is a process control valve, the service is gas, and the valve body is a Fisher type 'E'.

Sound familiar ? If so then the valve may be fitted with a 'whisper' trim cage (a valve cage to attenuate noise/ prevent cavitation), and in such case, the valve is supposed to be fitted into the line against the direction-of-flow in the pipe.

The subject is too broad to elaborate on here, but if the above describes your valve, then leave it as is (ie the 'wrong way around')

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/16/2012 6:06 PM

Of course the arrow is there for a reason. On valves where direction is not an issue, there is no arrow. If your wrench turners (craftspeople) do not understand this simple fact, you need new people!

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

11/17/2012 9:43 AM

Globe Valves are to be fitted so that the spindle and the spindle gland packing are not pressurized with the Valve in the closed position. This is done so that the normal on-line maintenance of spindle gland replacement can be done even with the underside of the valve seat pressurized as long as the Globe Valve is shut for this replacement.

Hence the Globe Valve is recommended to be installed with the flow following the path of the arrow embossed on the Valve casting.

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11/17/2012 12:10 PM

The first paragraph is correct, but the second paragraph doesn't necessarily follow from the first.

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Re: Globe Valve and an Arrow of Direction

04/07/2019 11:26 PM

Dear IvanPeeler,

Several CR4 members have shared their experience and knowledge.

If arrow direction not followed means, the up streme pressure will act on the back side of the seat and bonnet and the gland may fail because of pressure.

While the valve is open, the wire drawing effect will be taking place.

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04/08/2019 12:00 AM

It is rather heartening to note that a topic is alive even after a lapse of a few years. That means our forum is used as a reference by many.

yes. The valve should be in the right direction as per the arrow normally shown on the body. Then only the gland is not always under pressure.

then again, if the check nut for the clack works loose, the flow of fluid continues.

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