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Anodised Aluminium Scratch Remover

11/19/2012 9:35 AM

We use anodised aluminium (natural) to make display cabinets. During manufacture some scratches and marks end up on the visible faces. We have a block of something which we all call a rubber. This is rubbed over the scratch and it just disapears. My question is does anyone know what this magical rubber is? It looks like a type of rubber, but it feels slightly gritty. It is dark brown in colour.We need to find out what it is as someone has lost it.

How does it work? Anodising is an oxide coating so how does the scratch disapear?

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11/19/2012 9:54 AM

I'd call it an eraser.

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11/19/2012 10:04 AM

It is completely incredible that the facility has no access to purchase trails so as to re-order consumables that support its main line of business, and has to resort to asking anonymous strangers on a global internet Engineering forum to continue its operations.

It is completely incredible that there is only one of these things at the facility, and that operations grind to a halt because someone has "lost it".

Where is the Risk Assessment?

Where is the Management?

Sheesh!

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11/19/2012 10:11 AM

Agreed!

I didn't go there because chances are good that "Fred, or Pete, or Bill" figured out sometime back that he could increase production by just rubbing the scratch with an eraser and hiding the defect.

"What the heck, it's clear anodize anyway, who will ever know?"

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11/19/2012 12:23 PM

It's very common for people to either bypass the system because they don't like paperwork or because they become "King of the Hill" when no one else knows the secret handshake. The ultimate result is similar to the OP's posting (but usually worse).

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11/19/2012 10:15 AM

google abrasive blocks

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11/19/2012 1:18 PM

The problem really is, you aren't protecting the surface during your manufacturing operations. You should never have to 'fix' the scratches if the metal surface was properly protected. Join the rest of the world in the 21st Century: Buy a blue film applicator and use it on any surface that might get scratched. You might even have your sheet metal parts supplier apply this before shipping the parts to you. Here's one example of the film; you could probably find dozens of suppliers with just a bit of research:

http://www.prestotape.com/products_protection_films.php

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11/20/2012 8:58 AM

This is a funny comment. It is like, totally off topic because it does not answer the question that the OP posed, but it WOULD solve his problem. I don't know how to rate this....oh heck...with my better judgement I will have to say "off topic". Too bad.

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11/19/2012 7:05 PM
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11/19/2012 11:09 PM

This is called "buffing compound". Usually they are used for polishing or giving shine to items before electroplating. Buffs consists of Aluminium Oxides in some kind of binder. The Aluminium oxide is in powdered form with various grades/finish. Accordingly buffs are available in Rough, Medium, smooth variety. Usually if the scratch is very light then smooth buff is used & if the scratch is deeper then rough, medium & smooth buff has to be used one after another to reduce/remove scratch.

Usually for mass production of polishing; electrical motor is used with either cloth, leather wheels on ends. These wheels are charged with buffing compound & the scratch portion is rubbed against the wheel.

Hope i could explain.

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11/19/2012 11:52 PM

Well done for giving some constructive advice. geez the whipping boys are having a decent go with this one.

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11/20/2012 12:07 AM

What makes you think that the thread which you praise offers a solution any better than any previous suggestions.

ALL of them suggest abrasives, which will not replace any anodize, but will just remove whatever the abrasive is consuming, namely, the material surrounding the scratch.

The coating will still be gone, it is CLEAR, after all.

You give no constructive advice, just misguided praise.

Usbport, on the other hand, gives a solution worthy of a GA.

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11/19/2012 11:18 PM

Polishing is no good, as it removes the very anodizing you manufactured earlier. Go with #6 USB's recommendation of the soft, stretchable protective film. Leave it on for the customer to remove, No scratch, no complaint, easy.

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11/20/2012 4:21 AM

I have just taken responsibility for this dept. I am trying to find out what this rubber/eraser is so this will not happen again. It has been found now, but I still don't know how it works. If you use an abrasive on the anodising to remove the scratch it will either polish the surface and make the blemish worse or if a more coarse abrasive is used it will make more scratches. This rubber does not leave a mark at all but the scratch is gone. It was given to one of the lads by a visiting rep. No one knows who.

As to covering everything this would increase costs and would price us out of the market. The sheets are covered from the supplier. It is the frame work that has the odd scratch on it.

Thanks to the people that have tried to answer my question, you obviously live in the real world.

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11/20/2012 5:12 AM

I am constantly amazed by reps who drop off a fantastic ( at least in their eyes ) new product without any form of identification on the product or even their own name. I have kept good stuff that i would like to buy but been unable to identify it and so i would dearly love to be able to turn to people who are more knowledgeable than myself for help to identify the product. I once thought CR4 would be ideal.

Disillusioned, Jim.

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11/20/2012 5:36 AM

I agree with you totaly!

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11/20/2012 6:40 AM

I'd still like to see it identified. Just out of curiosity.

Can you post a picture of it?

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11/20/2012 7:31 AM

I wasn't suggesting covering everything, just the parts likely to get scratched.

Yes the film adds an expense, but really, the film is comparitively cheap. Labor is (usually) expensive.

Re-anodizing is an expense. Dealing with problems down the road due to the removal of the anodizing is another expense.

But, you're the only one here who knows your product, so I'm not going to presume anything here. If you're satisfied with your methods, that's all that matters.

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11/20/2012 4:09 PM

You may want to consider going to Global Spec and/or Thomas Register and finding six or eight anodizers that have an email address or a website that will lead you to an email address... they don't need to be near-by... and simply sending your question to all of them. Surely there will be someone somewhere that realizes what you are referring to and will be willing to help you with some information or give you a lead.

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11/20/2012 8:53 AM

Clearly this material does not remove a scratch, but rather "blends" the scratch. This means it removes the material around the scratch. Including the anodyzed stuff. Normally aluminum has a natural oxide surface which forms almost immediatly, so it will certainly look good going out the door. The "repair" will start to show in a year or so.

I think your "rubber" is just an abrasive eraser. There are many of them on the market. They are often used to clean up aluminum motor car rims. Google "abrasive erasers, aluminum rims" for more info.

The electro platers around here are careful to talk about "soft" and "hard" anodyzing. They mostly do "hard" anodyzing, which is a very thick layer of oxide, so thick it is capable of holding dye. The "soft" anodyzing is more useful to protect components which need to undergo further forming or bending because the oxide surface is more tolerant of such activity. I suspect your components have been "soft anodyzed", and an abrasive eraser would not do all that much damage...so it may well be the way to go. Soft anodyzing does not take dye very well. One easy way to tell the difference is to apply some dye. (ink from a ball point pen...) Can you rub it off with a soft cloth? Then it is soft, thin, and will not provide much protection for long. If you cannot rub it off, then it is hard anodyzed, and a simple abrasive will not work as well.

Lest I sound more knowledgable than I am, I am sorry. This is just chit chat I have picked up from bringing my components into the plating shop to be anodyzed. A professional, I am not. But this might be a starting point for more research on your specific problems.

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12/04/2012 9:58 AM

Thanks for your information. The aluminium is soft anodised as you say. It is only used indoors (museums etc) so it is not in any damp areas. The rubber/eraser we use is an abrasive 260 grit loaded rubber. It does "blend" the marks. It does last though, as I have seen cabinets and display units 10 years old and they look as good as the day they went in.

Thanks to all who helped to answer my question,though not to the ones who ran me down.

Paul.

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12/05/2012 6:18 AM

Thanks for getting back to us with the final result. Doesn't always happen.

I, for one, have been keen to know what the rubber was.

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12/05/2012 9:34 AM

Thanks for getting back to us. I think that soft anodyzing is really useful to keep your hands from getting black by handling the stuff, and the fact that it doesn't take dye (or dirt) very easily is a bonus. So it does have its place.

My experience with aluminum is mostly confined to airplanes and wheel rims, but its one of those materials which comes through my shop from time to time. I think that the fact that you shared your "secret" to getting a good looking competitive product out on time and within budget is truly appreciated, and shows good character.

Thank you.

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11/20/2012 3:54 PM

I'm not sure all the lecturing and scolding the OP received was warranted, and I definitely don't believe it's conducive to having him come back to participate, nor does it give us a particularly good reputation.

Perhaps we could pontificate less, to someone asking a question and looking for help. Some of that will happen unintentionally... but that was far too blatant and unnecessary.

No good came of that except some ego stroking.

Thank you to those that actually gave the man information he could use, without the scolding. He was guilty of nothing.

And yes, I am pontificating... but to offenders, not to someone seeking help.

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12/04/2012 7:20 AM

Cratex rubberized abrasive is good

http://www.cratex.com/

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