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Alternate Energy Storage

05/22/2007 2:05 PM

Are there any geograpic locations or applications where wind powered pumps are used to raise the level of a hydroelectric water reservoir?

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05/22/2007 11:33 PM

Yes there are. I was just reading the other day about this exact topic. It will take me a little while to find the source. Exactly to what extent the use of this process is in use currently I'm not sure.

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05/23/2007 3:16 AM

If you're thinking of doing it yourself, yes, it's possible. Please remember that wind-powered pumps aren't very powerful, so you'll need a battery of them to raise the water up fast.

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05/23/2007 6:42 AM

The best way to lift water by wind is to use it to operate an Archimedes screw in a cylinder this will keep moving water even at very low revs. The bigger the diameter and the longer the better, have a non return valve bellow to prevent the water from running away if it stops rotating. Google this subject. The ancient Egyptians used plenty of these mechanisms driven by animal power. You can use gears and clutches to get the right speed power relationship.

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05/23/2007 12:14 PM

Once the water is raised you will need a vast structure to hold it above the water

You do not need to lift anything to store the energy but pull any light item below the water. It will have an equal force in trying to reach the surface. It can even increase the pull if the tide is higher when it is released.

Having investigated this phenonemum(?) for some years it makes sense.

All that is needed are buoys strong anchors with ropes & pulleys.

The problem is trying to get someone to listen. You may like to help.

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05/23/2007 6:19 PM

Hey this is a great idea but instead of using energy to pull it in the water one could do the following.

setup:

a reservoir on top and below.

a huge float

wind driven pumps

as the pumps are raising the water to the top the float will drop.

when the top is full the float will be at the lowest point.

The cables should be wound up.

The top water is then released and electricity is generated.

when the top is empty the float will be submerged.

this energy can be harvested.

Free power but the cost may be too high.

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05/23/2007 7:41 PM

Energy can not be created or destroyed.

There is nothing like "Free Power" in the Physical world as we know.

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05/24/2007 5:07 AM

Hi Guest. The Dutch have been doing this for a very long time, their pumping windmills are conected to an Archimedes screw to pump water from low lying land to higher land and eventually out in to the sea. Spencer.

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05/23/2007 8:39 AM

It is easy to translate any webpage:

1. Copy the URL above & paste on Google Search Bar.

2. DELETE the word http://

3. Press Enter to Search. You will get the site as the search result, but with added functionality.

4. Click "Translate this page"

5. You will have a "mechanical" translation. It is not great but good enough for the purpose.


In this case, 11 windmills are being installed, which would meet the power need for 8000 people. Project cost: 3,900 Million Pesetas or about Euro 23 Million.

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05/23/2007 10:58 AM

Thanks for the translation tip! It would have otherwise required some extra steps.

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05/24/2007 10:49 AM

Extremist's original proposition was storage of energy using water. He was looking for a geographical site. Any wind turbine at sea can utilise the suggestion in my previous posting.

Any pumping of water is subject to great energy losses in the water slippage and friction. The principal suggested utilises a direct pull without going through electrical generators and motors but directly from the rotating blades of the wind turbine to the rope being pulled to store the energy. In reverse it delivers almost exactly the same as the energy exerted to store it. Only at this point is it converted to electricity, as and when needed. This can be in powerful chunks or a trickle, not subject to the vagaries of the wind.

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