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Flow Through Pipe in Accelerated Body

11/27/2012 4:00 AM

Hi,

Could you tell me how the flow rate through pipe is effected when the whole body is accelerating in the shown direction.

I understood that, the flow rate through this pipe will reduce for the available pressure difference, during the body acceleration compared to the case of acceleration is zero.

But it is mentioned that, at cross section 2 pressure will be reduced because of acceleration. what it means?

And, if i measure pressure at mid point of length, will it vary (for a constant pressure difference b/w sec. 1 & 2) for with and without body acceleration cases?

Kindly consider the system as it is shown. Lines Before & after sec. 1 & 2 are not shown for clarity of question.

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Re: Flow through pipe in accelerated body

11/27/2012 4:19 AM

I am looking at a steam engine, running at a constant speed. The boiler feed water pump is pumping water, as & when required. I see no problem any where. Just dreaming/speculating if my aunt had a mustache.... has no real world meaning....

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Re: Flow through pipe in accelerated body

11/27/2012 4:29 AM

"I am looking at a steam engine, running at a constant speed ... I see no problem any where."

...but the OP is particularly interested in an accelerating frame of reference.

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11/27/2012 4:33 AM

My steam engine is in that state.

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Re: Flow through pipe in accelerated body

11/27/2012 4:29 AM

If the device that is supplying the flow is travelling with the pipe, then there will be negligible effect unless the pipe is approaching the speed of light.

If the device supplying the flow is not travelling with the pipe, then one has a non-real-world device.

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Re: Flow through pipe in accelerated body

11/27/2012 4:54 AM

Assuming that you know how to do all the calculations for a given force (Fold) in a non accelerating pipe, then:

Fnew = Fold - ma

Where m is the mass of the liquid in the pipe.

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Re: Flow through pipe in accelerated body

11/27/2012 8:21 AM

Indeed, you now have a situation not unlike pumping water from a low tank to a higher tank only the acceleration and resulting force is in the horizontal direction.

OP, do you need to take into account that gravity is still working on your system?

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Re: Flow through pipe in accelerated body

11/27/2012 5:56 AM

Sir,

I'l explain bit more.

I've two tanks in aircraft and transferring fuel from Tank 1 at higher pressure to tank 2 at atmospheric pressure. If my aircraft accelerate as shown in figure, then my flow rate will decrease for the same air pressure in tank 1.

Please, if not come across the situation, don't think that it is not possible and don't give unnecessary comments which spoils the discussion.

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11/27/2012 7:37 AM

If the pipe remains connected and the planes and the pipe accelerate at the same rate, there will be no change in fluid flow.

If one of the planes accelerates at a different rate to the other, then the pipe will break, at which point there will be increased flow from the plane pumping the fuel and no flow at the plane receiving fuel, assuming both planes survive the experience. What happens in the pipe depends on where it breaks.

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11/27/2012 8:11 AM

Er ... how many aircraft are involved?

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Re: Flow Through Pipe in Accelerated Body

11/27/2012 8:16 AM

What does your instructor say?

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11/27/2012 8:23 AM

If we don't actually give him the answer to his homework, can we give him hints instead? Please. Please. Can we? Can we?

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11/27/2012 9:04 AM

Common! This is for the new Kingdom of Michigan Airforce Airial Refueling system and therefore a highly sophisticated military research. It is by no means homework.

What you say?

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Re: Flow Through Pipe in Accelerated Body

11/27/2012 9:19 AM

It looks like homework to me. Think instead of a level pipe with ball bearings sitting inside it, at rest, when it accelerates. Now consider the case where the ball bearings are in forward motion. The result for both is given by Randall's equation in #5, above.

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Re: Flow Through Pipe in Accelerated Body

11/27/2012 9:22 AM

If there were air bubbles in the line, which way would they travel?

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Re: Flow Through Pipe in Accelerated Body

11/27/2012 11:56 PM

Oversimplified scheme:

Express the acceleration in g's, add vectorially to the vertical acceleration from gravity to get a combined static head, add/subtract pressure differential to get a total head, and finally use pipe flow data to get a flow rate.

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Re: Flow Through Pipe in Accelerated Body

11/28/2012 3:43 AM

Sir,

Thank you for your reply. I also got some material on this which i've attached below.

If any doubt, i'l come back to you sir.

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Re: Flow Through Pipe in Accelerated Body

02/25/2013 5:33 AM

Could you please tell from which book did you get this material from ?

Thank you.

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