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Control Valve

12/02/2012 8:46 PM

Can anybody tell me how to select control valve and how to review a calculation Sheet of control valve?

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Re: Control Valve

12/02/2012 9:08 PM

No.

Not without a lot more details. If you cannot supply us with sufficient information about the process the valve is supposed to control, how can we help?

Are you a :

Browser?

Student?

Valve salesman?

Process engineer?

Valve technician?

Manager?

Just curious?

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Re: Control Valve

12/02/2012 9:23 PM

I am a Design Engineer and i am not good in control valves.

Actually,for one project,i have received many calculation sheet and quotations from vendors so i just want to know what are the main things in calculation sheet and quotation which i should check?

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12/02/2012 9:20 PM

This is a quite complex subject. Some basics include:

1) Compatibility of valve parts with the fluid.
2) Pressure and temperature conditions.
3) Basic valve type (piston, globe, ball, diaphragm, butterfly, needle, etc.)
4) Flow coefficient (Cv or Kv, depending on local custom).

As for calculations, most will revolve around item (4).

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Re: Control Valve

12/02/2012 9:24 PM

I am a Design Engineer and i am not good in control valves.

Actually,for one project,i have received many calculation sheet and quotations from vendors so i just want to know what are the main things in calculation sheet and quotation which i should check?

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Re: Control Valve

12/02/2012 9:42 PM

Is it possible for you to give data for some examples? The field is too wide for one-size-fits-all generalities.

Various control valve manufacturer literature often has good information, often in an engineering appendix to their catalog. If you are receiving quotations from vendors, ask them for such data. Good vendors will be helpful with this.

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Re: Control Valve

12/02/2012 11:18 PM

In calculation sheet,This calculation sheet provided by samson and there is 6 main columns

1.00

Process and medium

2.00

Result and factors

2.01valve cofficent calculated
2.02 Minimum required size
2.03Outlet velocity
2.04SPL VDMA 24422 mod
2.05relative travel
2.06Different pressure ratio
2.07FL value
2.08xFmr value
2.09Valve style factor
2.10xFz value at load
2.11Level exponant
2.12Slope exponent
2.13Correct term

3.00

Valve Data

3.01Valve coefficient
3.02Nominal size
3.03Pressure ratings
3.04Travel
3.05Seat bore
3.06Stem diameter
3.07 Internal parts material
3.08Packing
3.09Sealing
3.10Body Material
3.11Noise reduction
3.12Characteristcs
3.13Flow direction
3.14Balanced
3.15Leakage rate
3.16Bonnet

4.00

Pipe Data

5.00

Actuator Data

5.01Type
5.02Diaphragm Area
5.03Fail safe action
5.04Bench range
5.05Supply

6.00

Actuator Result

6.01Req. act. Force
6.02Max. act. Force
6.03Max. dp on plug
6.04req. start bench range
6.05req. diff. psu-ps 100
6.06Actuator force
6.07Close safety factor
6.08open safety factor

These are factors given from Valve vendor.My question is which factor should i check and there is any thumb rule for review of calculation sheet?

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Re: Control Valve

12/02/2012 11:28 PM

Can you tell us what the valve is supposed to do?

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Re: Control Valve

12/02/2012 11:32 PM

This is Level control valve.

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12/02/2012 11:56 PM

Oh, God.

I was hoping for something like, "This is Level control valve", it is used in the xxxxx industry for controlling the level of xxxxx liquid in a xxxx plant, etc.

I think we have failure to communicate.

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12/03/2012 3:50 AM

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Re: Control Valve

12/02/2012 9:21 PM

I am a Design Engineer and i am not good in control valves.

Actually,for one project,i have received many calculation sheet and quotations from vendors so i just want to know what are the main things in calculation sheet and quotation which i should check?

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Re: Control Valve

12/03/2012 1:30 AM

Hi Ankur,

Control Valve selection is (as Lyn has suggested) a complex field. In my experience use the valve supplier's expertise. For the correct valve selection, you need to decide on the minimum operating pressure drop for given flow duty point, and the max pressure drop for given flow duty point. From this the valve supplier will calculate the correct Cv, and operating range of the valve. You can do this yourself, but the operating characteristics of the valves can be very particular to each manufacturer. Hence, I would work closely with the valve suppliers, develop a working relationship, so you can trust in their experience.

Having said that, you don't exactly need a high performance control valve, a Level control valve simply needs to open and close when the level in the tank triggers a change. This is sometimes done with electrical signal from level transmitter, but is more often done with a float valve (when open allows diaphragm valve to open, and when float is closed on high level, causes the diaphragm valve to close).

So a level control valve, is significantly simpler than a true control valve.

To confirm the suitability of the valve, I would check the following ...

1. Check the flow through the valve is acceptable.

2. Check the pressure drop at that flow is acceptable.

3. Check the pressure rating of the valve suits your needs.

4. Check the material of construction (including all wetted parts) is compatible with the process fluid (at the process temperature, pH etc).

5. Review the rest of the information, if you don't understand any of it - ask the manufacturer that sent it (they are paid to assist you).

Hope this helps.

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12/02/2012 9:33 PM

Do you know what the valve is supposed to do?

You select a control valve after carefully specifying the requirements for the valve.

To do this, you would need to know what industry the valve will be used in. The processes and chemicals involved in them. If you cannot do this, you are lost.

In my opinion, you are lost.

Review of the "calculation sheet" will depend on much more than you have given us, also.

Your refusal to provide useful information will never result in a satisfactory answer to your VERY GENERAL question.

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12/03/2012 3:52 AM

Yes, if there is someone in the area that can act as a Mentor.

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