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240v Delay Relay

01/01/2013 11:57 AM

can anyone suggest how to delay a 240vac relay opening time(de-energize) by just a few seconds using add on components. For DC relay a capacitor would do the job.

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Re: 240v delay relay

01/01/2013 12:07 PM

One way is an octal socket off-delay timer relay.

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01/01/2013 12:13 PM

You'll need to add a timer. If you want to do it with a few components, tell us what relay you are using. Also when you want to play, remember that such a component also affects the switch- ON timing.

A relay coil @240 VAC will also activate the relay with, say 48 Volts DC. This might be a good reference to start your design. (diode, resistor, capacitor in a hold circuit)

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01/01/2013 12:17 PM

Small UPS that keep's output up for few sec after input fails. You can replace battery by adequate cap or cap bank.

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01/01/2013 12:39 PM

I'm not sure about the question, are you trying to delay the signal or the actual contact movement????

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01/01/2013 7:50 PM

Since you don't give any more specs, I'll give you only a principle sketch.

When the relay has power, the capacitor will store the energy and release it to the coil when the feed voltage stops. The time depends on the value of C and R.

R is facultative

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01/02/2013 12:45 AM

Good. Thanks. I will try it out.

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01/02/2013 9:20 AM

Works all the time with regular relays. Contactors are more difficult. I had American octal delay relays from Syracuse that had nothing more in it. I understand the question I hope. Getting stuff to replace isn't always easy.

I have 120 VAC relays here working on 24 Volts DC. To have them trimmed, I had to loosen the spring slightly.

English is only my 4th language and I might have misunderstood your OP, although there might be a lot of celebration alcohol in the heads here.

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01/02/2013 4:43 PM

Just put a resistor in parallel with the diode too, otherwise the diode prevents the stored energy to go to the coil. Had no reaction thus far?

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01/01/2013 8:48 PM

If you are asking if there is a way to convert an existing simple control relay into an off-delay timer by adding something to the control circuit, the answer is no. It is FAR FAR simpler to just replace your relay with an off-delay timer.

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01/01/2013 8:50 PM

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01/01/2013 9:05 PM

Some older industrial relays, now nearly obsolescent, have add-on contact decks with pneumatic timers. If you are so (un)lucky as to have any...there may actually be a simple solution.

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01/01/2013 9:09 PM

all he needs is a solid state "delay on make" timer like the picture I showed,,,,piece of cake

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01/01/2013 9:14 PM

Sounds more like delay-on-break to me.

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01/01/2013 9:26 PM

me too....picky

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01/01/2013 11:36 PM

Allen Bradley has a relay that is pneumatically delayed.Sounds archaic, and crude, but is surprisingly accurate and very durable. Very simple to add to an existing circuit..I have seen them in use in very hostile environments and they worked flawlessly for years.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allen-Bradley-Pneumatic-Time-Delay-Relay-Bulletin-700-Type-PT-P400A1-/320979980640

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01/02/2013 12:36 AM

We use them for 40 years in a museum brewery. Allen Bradley. Big and heavy, but they never have let us down. But it is not what the OP asks. Who reads it?

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01/02/2013 6:42 AM

The way I interpreted the OP's request was to be able to delay the opening(drop out) of a relay by a few seconds.The A/B can do this,either "ON" or "OFF" delay.And they come in various sizes and configurations.

The beauty of the pneumatic delay is it works even if control power fails,providing an anti-recycle feature for short interruptions of control power.Not to be confused with a typical anti-recycle circuit on A/C units.

Check out the link I provided to OP.They still make them.

But who reads links anyway?

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01/02/2013 12:11 PM

Thank you for the links. I checked them all.

Many of you have contributed with "replacement" relays and contactors. Here must be a slight misinterpretation because the word "contactors" doesn't seem accepted in the spell checker too.

In Europe, to my knowledge they make a difference between a relay- and contactor.

Al kinds of solder-on, stick in, (while connecting the electrical contacts through a socket or dedicated block - like e.g. octal) coil loaded tumbling (pivoting) with one cylindric core are considered relays.

Contacts that go up and down, attracted by a E- U or different form of electromagnet, where the moving part is independant (not attached by springs) are named contactors.

I still wonder why I got a off topic for a post that is actually most on topic of all these posts. At least I have explained what the OP has as answer.

You can all try the provided working solution on a relay. As explained I do not live off the shelf.

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01/02/2013 12:17 PM

it is a bit of a difference in language, a relay and a contactor are doing the same job. generally a contactor is used on larger loads that carry higher amperages than a lighter load which carries control voltages or very small loads and amperages. at the end of the day both are switches

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01/02/2013 12:58 PM

Thank you, just wondering. Best wishes. D

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01/02/2013 6:50 AM

What you need is two two-way switches, and one intermediate switch, simple, as long as you put the intermediate switch in the middle of the circuit.

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