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01/03/2013 4:04 PM

I am looking for a high grade adhesive to bond metal to glass that is available in Australia. The bond must hold the weight of the glass when the metal is wall mounted. Can you help?

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01/03/2013 4:15 PM

Depending on the metal, a cyanoacrylate will work.

You will get many opinions of the "best glue ever" here, depending on what members have used with success, without much regard to the mating materials and their preparation.

How much area in the metal mounts?

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01/03/2013 4:18 PM

Do not know if 3M is available there. I used some of there double sided tape as a fixture holding jig as it was being machined, Damn near wreck the piece removing the peice from the tape. Could not find what type of tape it was except it was 3M.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/

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01/03/2013 4:49 PM

As I recall a family member once used silicone RTV to "temporarily" bond some ceramic items to a small metal shelf. I had a horrible time getting it apart later.

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01/03/2013 5:46 PM

As Lyn suggested, Super Glue. It is available in Australia under the Gorilla brand.

http://au.gorillaglue.com/eng/glues/glue-list/1/15/gorilla-super-glue.html

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01/03/2013 6:00 PM

RTV also stands up to some wicked radiation levels.

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01/03/2013 6:09 PM

The mechanical loading on the bond will always be a significant concern on this metal to Australian glass.

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01/03/2013 10:19 PM

Semi-clear two part epoxy.

Just did some glass-to-glass and metal-to-glass adhesions over the holidays.

You have to use it quickly as it sets up in a few minutes...but it holds.

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01/04/2013 7:28 AM

I'll add a vote for epoxy.

Araldite precision takes much longer to set. There must be other slow set epoxies.

You'll need to mix quite a bit for the job you're doing. Try to think of some other small glueing jobs you need to do with any which is left over.

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01/04/2013 7:37 PM

What is the brand and type please?

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01/05/2013 8:44 AM

Devcon 35345 two ton epoxy.

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01/03/2013 10:48 PM

A lot depends on the size of the glass and the metal and how much area is available for glue adhesion.

There is a High strength silicon product available intended for use in the construction of fish tanks and structural glazing.

Its available at Magnet Mart (In NSW and ACT) I just cant think of the Name of hand but belive it has "700" in the name.

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01/03/2013 10:50 PM

We used to glue plenty mirrors on walls with pure Silicone Caulk. Just do not use the vinegar acid smelling type because it affects the backing. We had them supported for 24 hours until curing. The trick is to use enough beads and with a pattern that supports the ruling forces. It works also with clear glass, but you see all through.

Used it on ceilings too.

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01/04/2013 12:23 AM

semi clear two part epoxy adhesive.....In india it is available under brand name araldite (by pidilite industries i think) is the best we have to hold mirror until adhesive sat.

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01/04/2013 1:08 AM

the 3M tape is called VHB (very high bond ) tape and is amazing stuff. it comes in a variety of thicknesses and types to suit different substrates. but i'd recommend a uv cured glue. this stuff is amazing, has extremely high bond strength (it gets used to glue stainless steel hand rails to glass walls for example ). it is usually cured with a specialised led light. the tape or the uv resin could do the trick but without any more info on the weight of the glass and the surface area of the glue area, i can't add much more that would be constructive.

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01/04/2013 2:47 AM

I'd go for the cyanoacrylates as well. LOCTITE is a brand with good representation in OZ.

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01/04/2013 4:57 AM

VHB is good as mentioned in other posts. With this & with cyanoacrylates you only get 1 shot at positioning the parts. Something like Loctite 330 2 part structural adhesive works well on glass & metal and gives a couple of minutes to position the parts.

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01/04/2013 8:39 AM

The Polysulfide family of adhesives are extremely good at bonding anything together.

Just make sure you don't get it on your skin or clothes, as you'll never get it off.

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01/04/2013 9:46 AM

You haven't provided environmental conditions such as temp., humidity, vibration, etc. Lacking those, I'd suggest a silicone adhesive/sealer. Beware of rigid adhesives, especially if the assembly is exposed to temperature fluctuations. The difference in expansion/contraction between metal and glass can distort or crack the glass.

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01/04/2013 9:53 AM

Rear view mirror adhesive. The adhesive which adheres the metal mounting plate to the windshield in which the mirror is slid on to.

They do hold the rear view mirror on the same way down under?

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01/04/2013 10:04 AM

GA........... local hardware or auto supply store

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01/04/2013 12:14 PM

and that would be cyanoacrylate based ( as mentioned previously) at least the last time I had to glue my rear view mirror back on it was....

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01/05/2013 8:35 PM

Yes they do. But the reason the glue is readily available in auto stores is because the mirrors fall off. A cyanoacrylate will adhere so well that it will break the glass. This in itself can be a problem. "Horses for courses."

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01/04/2013 11:28 AM

Just contact adhesive manufacturers such as 3M, MasterBond etc. Tell them the use and environment and they will advise. Just do not call it glue, big no no.

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01/04/2013 12:21 PM

You do not state what the metal is. If the bond length is short, you might get away with an epoxy or cyanoacrylate. If it is over a few inches the difference in coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE) between the glass and the metal will add stress to the bond and cause either the bond to fail, the glass to break, or the structure to bow.

I would use an RTV product and spacers to control the thickness of the RTV bonding material. RTV products are manufactured by many companies and are available at hobby shops, auto parts stores, building supply centers, etc. Because RTV is flexible, the bond can be designed to limit the stress on the materials and bond to compensate for the delta CTE.

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01/04/2013 5:50 PM

OK I have used most of what you guys are recommending, and to greater or lesser degress they will all work. But I have a very unusual suggestion. Many years ago I was repairing a firebox with firebrick mortar. I purchased 100% premixed firebrick mortar. I spread it with a putty knife to work it into the areas needing a fix. I set the putty knife down on a glass table. I got distracted with other cleanup and when I finally noticed the putty knife...too late. That sucker was PERMANENTLY adhered to the glass. I mean the most amazingly strong and resistant adhesion I had ever seen. If I were attempting a very permanent, strong, temperature and weather resistant bond I would use firebrick mortar. But it cannot be removed except by breaking the glass, or theoretically, melting the metal and/or the glass. I would also assume that such a common substance would be available in Australia. Good Luck.

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01/04/2013 11:29 PM

Love it!

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I read the daily updates of this forum but I rarely have anything to contribute that has not already been presented, and by folks infinitely more educated and quite possibly more intelligent and talented. I also have found in my 60 short years that it is better to be silent and thought a fool, rather than speak and remove all doubt. But I really enjoy sharing my experiences and unusual techniques when a question may call for them. Until then I will discipline my responses and answer only when I have something sufficiently valid and appropriate. Thank you.

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01/07/2013 9:05 AM

Interesting observation. The next time your putty knife adheres to glass with premixed firebrick mortar, remember that this type of mortar is water soluble when dry. Hydraulic firebrick mortar, however, is not water soluble.

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01/09/2013 6:17 AM

Tell me no.. I disposed of a rather nice table and had to listen to my wife about it and the darn stuff was water soluable? It sure didn't act that way. Though I didn't soak it for any length of time in water, it sure resisted any of my attempts to remove it. It didn't even show any color on a paper towel, hinting that it might be broken down more thoroughly with a little patience. It was acting more like a nasty dry rock. An I honestly do not know what hydraulic firebrick mortar is, but I will look it up this evening. Thanks for the tip..35 years late. (:-)}}}

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01/09/2013 9:23 AM

Premix firebrick mortar is soluble in both water and acid. This is the reason you won't find it used much for constructing fireboxes, furnaces, fireplaces, etc. Hydraulic firebrick mortar is sold as a dry powder and mixed with water. Not as convenient as the premix, but very resistant to water and acid.

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01/04/2013 9:53 PM

Just be careful. If the metal has some length, the expansion of glass and metal could be a lot different, asking for a flexible bond. Cyan- acrylate has also no good UV record. That is why crazy glued car mirrors fail.

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01/07/2013 7:39 AM

JB Weld, its available in the colonies too.

International Inquiries: international@jbweld.com

http://www.jbweld.com/

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