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Motor Protection

01/04/2013 5:38 AM

I've a MV motor that is fed via a current limiting fuse and a vacuum contactor. A numerical motor protection relay is being used. should i set the relay for instantaneous Short circuit protection or let the fuse do its work? Relay catalogue suggests that in case of motors fed thru fused contactors, instantaneous short circuit protection unit of the relay should be bypassed. But tripping the contactor for a fault shall save the cost of replacing the fuse. What is the ideal practice in such a case?

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Re: Motor Protection

01/04/2013 6:27 AM

Your answer lies in the answer of following question,

1. What is short circuit breaking capacity of VC? Is it sufficient for system to which is connected.

2.How many (number) short circuits a VC can interrupt before replacement.

3. What is cost of replacement of VC Vs MV Fuse.

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01/04/2013 7:25 AM

some of your terminology isn't quite right, let me assist. overload relays and fuses don't really have the "job (as you say to stop or protect you from "short circuits". a short simply means voltage is finding it's way through a winding or to ground before it was intended to. in both cases your protection devices ( fuses, overload relays are designed to stop excessive current (amps) from going through your wiring and windings. I'd suggest you fuse before the load side (line side) of your contactor. hope that helps

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01/04/2013 10:05 AM

With all due respect Fredski, he does have the fuses ahead of the contactor, he is just asking if he should set the instantaneous trip of the very high end motor protection relay to a value that will open the contactor on a short circuit ahead of the fuse clearing level in a attempt to keep from blowing the very expensive MV fuses if possible.

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The answer lies in further investigation. Typically, a MV motor controller is designed such that the let-through current of the current limiting fuses is below the withstand rating of the vacuum contactor, but the thermal trip curve of the relay is meant to provide the running overload protection to prevent the fuses clearing on long time over current. The setting of the instantaneous trip of the protective relay can be set below the fuse short circuit curve to help pervent clearing of the fuses if possible, but must still be below the withstand rating of the vacuum contactor as well.

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Re: Motor Protection

01/04/2013 10:07 AM

I had to read that twice

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01/04/2013 10:52 PM

Relay has to be set for over current protection, starting protection, unbalanced and earth fault protection and stall protection only when the motor is controlled thru contactor

For High short circuit currents it will be better to allow the fuse to blow out instead of opening the contactor, as breaking the contactor for short circuit current will damage the contacts.

There is a write up about this in ABB site ,please go thru ."contactor control Motor app guide 756085E"

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01/05/2013 9:53 AM

Dear Mr. ramvinod,

You are absolutely right and agree with you. The Contact making Current and Breaking Current itself is a big subject - and will damage the Contactor due to severe Arcing.

THANKS.

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01/11/2013 6:22 AM

Thanks for this very informative article of ABB.

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Re: Motor Protection

01/06/2013 5:12 AM

My dear:

for more practical comment please let me know your motor pow.,contactor model and it's manufacturer.

abootorab

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