Higgs Boson

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Lehman57 Guru Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Louisville, OH Posts: 1925 Good Answers: 36	Higgs Boson 03/15/2013 5:44 PM
	Article in the newspaper this morning--which I read at supper--said they may have found the Higgs Boson. I am not a theoretician, not even close, but it seems to me that the theories I have read are not elegant enough. They are too complicated. The theorists are reaching and trying too hard to find a workable theory. Therefore, they have not found the correct one. Comments please. __________________ Lehman57
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Usbport Guru Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Trantor Posts: 5363 Good Answers: 647	#1 Re: Higgs Boson 03/15/2013 6:41 PM
	Well, a lot of quantum mechanics works, and works quite well.The particle they've found is matching extremely well to the predicted Higgs Boson. Yet, I agree there is a complexity to QM that makes one think there might be a simpler theory yet to be found. My favorite theoretician is Roger Penrose. He's had a lot of criticisms of QM over the years. I'm currently reading his book 'Cycles of Time'. A fair amount of it is over my head, but I get just enough (I think) to follow what he's saying. His other books have been excellent. __________________ Whiskey, women -- and astrophysics. Because sometimes a problem can't be solved with just whiskey and women.
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Usbport Guru Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Trantor Posts: 5363 Good Answers: 647	#6 In reply to #1 Re: Higgs Boson 03/16/2013 8:03 AM
	Follow-up. In the Penrose book I'm reading now, he makes a comment about charge and mass that got me thinking about the Higgs. None of the massless particles (photon, graviton, neutrino...) have charge; all of the particles with charge have mass. So, is there a connection between the Higgs and electrical charge? I haven't seen that discussed in any of the articles I've read about the Higgs. __________________ Whiskey, women -- and astrophysics. Because sometimes a problem can't be solved with just whiskey and women.
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SimpleMind Guru Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1056 Good Answers: 88	#2 Re: Higgs Boson 03/15/2013 6:59 PM
	I don't expect any theory that goes beyond the perceivable dimensions and matter properties to look too elegant and straightforward. Hell, we may be looking up for things that are not directly explicable by current human intelligence, even current knowledge demands from most people to take some huge logic shortcuts to "understand". Don't know for instance what arguments you'd use to convince Mickey Mouse that there is a 3rd dimension. S.M. __________________ Life is complex. It has a real part and an imaginary part.
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SolarEagle Guru Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: by the beach in Florida Posts: 33392 Good Answers: 1817	#3 In reply to #2 Re: Higgs Boson 03/15/2013 9:48 PM
	More interesting, possibly, could be Mickey's explanation of why your third dimension was an illusion.... __________________ All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
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Usbport Guru Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Trantor Posts: 5363 Good Answers: 647	#5 In reply to #3 Re: Higgs Boson 03/16/2013 7:57 AM
	That reminds me of my all-time favorite Disney cartoon, which I hadn't thought about in years. Surprisingly, the whole cartoon can be seen via YouTube: Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land __________________ Whiskey, women -- and astrophysics. Because sometimes a problem can't be solved with just whiskey and women.
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PWSlack Guru Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on. Posts: 32175 Good Answers: 839	#4 Re: Higgs Boson 03/16/2013 6:51 AM
	<...found the Higgs Boson...> Thank goodness for that. Now put it away and get on with something useful. __________________ "Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
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SimpleMind Guru Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1056 Good Answers: 88	#7 In reply to #4 Re: Higgs Boson 03/16/2013 4:59 PM
	You are delivered. inflaton, Prodigal Son of Higgs Boson is on its way. (LOL) S.M. __________________ Life is complex. It has a real part and an imaginary part.
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StandardsGuy Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North America, Earth Posts: 4528 Good Answers: 106	#8 Re: Higgs Boson 03/18/2013 5:32 PM
	Do you really believe the newsmedia? If you want a discussion, post a viable link with some details. __________________ “I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” - Richard Feynman
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