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Diesel Generator Exhaust Manifolds "Redhot"

04/02/2013 3:00 AM

Hi all,

Lately our HV supply cable to 22KV/.415 KV transformer 'flash over' therfore we start our 1600Kw diesel generator to run production electrical driven motors with the loading at 47% which is 1300Amp.

Every things are in good running condition until the diesel pressure to fuel pump is drop to 10kpa from 200kpa. We notice the manifold to engine intake are in redhot condition. Also the exhaust pipe with large amount of black smoke.

After we replace the choked diesel fuel filter every things back to normal operation, no redhot at manifolds & black smoke at exhaust pipes.

Do anyone can explain to me why the reasons ?

Thank you

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Re: Diesel generator exhaust manifolds "Redhot"

04/02/2013 5:29 AM

Dear Mr. aikhh,

It is very simple issue. You have mentioned that "good running condition until the diesel pressure to fuel pump is drop to 10kpa from 200kpa. We notice the manifold to engine intake are in red hot condition. Also the exhaust pipe with large amount of black smoke."

The Answers are:

1.The problem is the ATOMISATION of fuel is NOT MAINTAINED TO THE REQUIRED LEVEL and hence BURNING OF FUEL IS VERY POOR, RESULTING IN BLACK SMOKE.

2. Why Atomisation is poor is indicated in your posting - i.e Fuel Injection Pressure has come down to 10 kPa, from 200 kPa. I studied long back that. 1 cm^3 of diesel is to be atomised to 0.6 Million particles - actually it is a MIST, so as to enable for PERFECT COMBUSTION will take place.

3. Once Atomisation is proper, Combustion is Normal, and black soot/smoke IS UNDER CONTROL.

A similar posting has appeared 4 days back in CR4 and many members have actively posted their views. Pl. go through that and it may be of Addl.Knowledge.

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Re: Diesel generator exhaust manifolds "Redhot"

04/03/2013 4:32 AM

What about the RED HOT INTAKE MANIFOLD ?

(Or is it the exhaust manifold by mistake?)

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Re: Diesel generator exhaust manifolds "Redhot"

04/03/2013 4:50 AM

Dear Mr. LAA Lucke,

Obviously it is EXHAUST MANIFOLD, by mistake it could have been wrongly mentioned as Intake manifold.

Let us see what the Original Post Author replies.

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Re: Diesel generator exhaust manifolds "Redhot"

04/03/2013 5:06 AM

Probably yes.

Therefore, it gets red hot due to post combustion of the fuel in the exhaust manifold, because of the bad atomisation ... ?

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Re: Diesel generator exhaust manifolds "Redhot"

06/10/2021 3:52 AM

Hi LAA_Lucke,

Yes , I am make an mistake , it exhaust manifold

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Re: Diesel generator exhaust manifolds "Redhot"

04/06/2013 5:45 AM

Dear Mr.DHAYANANDHAN.S, Thank you very much of good answer, that has clear my doubts. Howwever when we reduce the connecting load by 50% I.e 650Amp the 'red hot 'at exhaust turbo manifolds n black smoke at chimney is significant reduce at 'light pink ' condition ,Of course fuel pressure remain at 10kpa.(fuel filter choked) Can I hv an good answer from you ? Thanks in advance

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Re: Diesel generator exhaust manifolds "Redhot"

04/08/2013 10:27 AM

Dear Mr. aikhh,

Sorry for delayed reply. You have referred a condition that load is reduced to 50% Level and

"the 'red hot 'at exhaust turbo manifolds n black smoke at chimney is significant reduce at 'light pink ' condition ,Of course fuel pressure remain at 10kpa.(fuel filter choked"

The answer is very simple.

1. At reduced Load of 50%, the Fuel INJECTED IN TO THE CYLINDER THROUGH INJECTER, IS REDUCED. Hence HEAT RELEASE is REDUCED. Perhaps, fuel is not reduced by 5%, may be a little more, sicne at reduced load, engine Efficiency slightly falls.

2. Though Load is REDUCED, the SPEED of the Engine REMAINS CONSTANT, and hence AIR SUPPLIED/SUCKED in to the Engine is CONSTANT. Hence AIR to FUEL RATIO is INCREASED, resulting in LESSER TEMPERATURE, and LESSER SMOKE, for the same amount of AIR. In other words, same amount of air entering the cylinder, fuel being less, the temperature of combustion product FALLS DOWN, AND HENCE red hotness IS reduced, black smoke also reduced.

The case which you described, the Efficiency is the Lowest, at Full Load, and better at Partial Load.

I think your doubt is cleared, any further detail, pl. post again.

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Re: Diesel Generator Exhaust Manifolds "Redhot"

04/03/2013 11:33 AM

Assuming that this is a common rail fuel system, one bank of the engine is getting all of the availible fuel. When fuel pressure is lost, one bank usually robs the remaining fuel from the other. The side that was red hot was getting the fuel and trying to carry the load.

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Re: Diesel Generator Exhaust Manifolds "Redhot"

04/04/2013 5:12 AM

Dear Mr. CBlackwood,

You have mentioned " Assuming that this is a common rail fuel system, one bank of the engine is getting all of the available fuel. When fuel pressure is lost, one bank usually robs the remaining fuel from the other. The side that was red hot was getting the fuel and trying to carry the load."

I am of the view that

In the olden technology of Fuel Injection through individual plunger, was ranging from 2000 psi, to 20000 psi., i,e 200 kPa to 2000 kPa. or 140.8 Kg/cm^2 or 1400.8 Kg/cm^2, absorbing Engine's Power to the extent of 0.2% to 2.0%. The individual high pressure fuel was taken to a tube of small dia, and the pressure drop was to the extent of 10% in the tube, causing difference in Power developed.

But modern system, such high pressure is not required for fuel injection, and I have seen Engines using 100 kPa. and fuel distribution, is uniformly made. The fuel spray and atomisation will be uniform, thus power developed will be more or less equal in all cylinders.

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Re: Diesel Generator Exhaust Manifolds "Redhot"

07/14/2018 8:06 AM

I have a few 30 years experience in diesel,petrol,gas,duel fuel engines in different make,capacity,applications etc,trained ,worked in India,Abroad,.

So what i came across and rectified some of the Red hot issues are as follows;

1.intake manifold not intact

2.CAC not intact

3.Duct flap malfunction

4.Exhaust silencer cartridge chock

5.Injector Hair Crack

6.Injector leak

7.Injector abnormal spray

8.Insufficient Fuel supply -causes injector,pump re calibration,filters replacement,

9.common Rail chock,contamination,leak

10.Air filter chock

11.Supercharger failure

12.Turbo Charger Failure

13. After cooler chock

14.Coolant pump malfunction

15.Excess coolant concentration

16.Thermostat

17.Thermostat bypass chock

18.Fuel,air,water air seepage/leakage

19.Retarded timing

20.Wrong valve lash

21.Cylinder head hair crack,Injector sleeve valve crack,head gasket seepage

22.pushrod bent

23.cam follower bush problem

24.gear train wrong timing

25.For automobiles - wrong /habit of continues pressing of accilarator,clutch

These are some of the reasons i faced which i can remember at present.

If any correction pls; advice me if wrong,.

Also i need your more suggestions ,reasons for this epidemic failure which is facing in new generation engines.

As a perkins,cummins,kirloskar,mtu,mercidies engineer in the past i faced some engineers who suggest is only a material failure,But i c,t digest much

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