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Why Seamless Pipe for High Pressure Oxygen?

04/25/2013 11:58 PM

I came across the pipe specified by by a consultant for 40 bar oxygen is Schedule-40 seamless API 5L Gr B or ASTM 106 Gr B.

Can we use Schedule-40 ERW pipe of the same grade for this application because MAWP of ERW pipe is also same as seamless? If no, why?

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Re: Why seamless pipe for high pressure oxygen?

04/26/2013 12:27 AM

Is the normal procedure to ask a forum of anonymous unknowns to allow deviations from project specifications, as opposed to referring them to the design engineer? I think ERW might be acceptable in certain situations/locations, but not all. If seamless was specified, I doubt ERW will be allowed.

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Re: Why seamless pipe for high pressure oxygen?

04/26/2013 12:32 AM

Ask the consultant, not us, if the substitution is acceptable. If not, then you can ask for his/her reasons, rather than ours.

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Re: Why Seamless Pipe for High Pressure Oxygen?

04/26/2013 9:23 AM

Don't listen to those guys. Go ahead and use the material NOT specified by the consultant.

Just cut and paste this on the front of your justification document.

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Re: Why Seamless Pipe for High Pressure Oxygen?

04/26/2013 11:21 AM

I think this is really a much better way to answer questions like this.

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I am also in favor of modifying the rule against answering homework questions. We should only prohibit providing answers that are congruent with current accepted theory.

Novel unique solutions and methods of arriving at said solutions, would be a much more useful way to answer obvious HW questions.

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04/26/2013 12:06 PM

Wow, nice lyn.

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Re: Why Seamless Pipe for High Pressure Oxygen?

04/26/2013 1:44 PM

I like it, let's call that the Darwin answer!

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Re: Why Seamless Pipe for High Pressure Oxygen?

04/27/2013 2:23 AM

Seamless tubing is specified for oxygen and other fluids in order to avoid turbulence in the flow. If the flow becomes turbulent, there can/will be areas in the vortices that become sonic or near so, and this can be explosively disastrous. Irregularities in the finish of the pipe's interior cause the flow to become non-laminar at/near the surface.

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Re: Why Seamless Pipe for High Pressure Oxygen?

04/28/2013 2:35 AM

You have 5 'Good Answer' ratings on your comment already, so I realize I am going against the crowd here....

'...to avoid turbulent flow...'

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Are you suggesting turbulent flow IS avoided?

O2 isn't very viscous. It seems to me, O2 lines would have to be monstrously wide to allow reasonable delivery and still have any hope of maintaining a laminar flow regime.

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'...the vortices that become sonic or near so, and this can be explosively disastrous.....'

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You seem to be implying that O2 is an explosion hazard if it reaches sonic or near sonic speeds, or possibly if it is stirred to violently?

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What would be the chemical reaction for the explosion?

The only ones I can think of without something else in addition to the O2 are not thermodynamically favorable...and so aren't really a worry.

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I think any requirement for seamless tubing is likely related to cleanliness or the possibility of pinholes.

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04/28/2013 10:40 AM

"this can be explosively disastrous"

Oxygen will not explode, unless it is mixed with a flammable gas, in the correct proportions and presented with an ignition source.

You will note that Oxygen is not listed in table of lower explosive limit (LEL)/Upper explosive limit (UEL) of gases.

Lower and Upper Explosive Limits for Flammable Gases and Vapor

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04/29/2013 4:05 PM

Hey, another *.pdf to toss in the reference folder! Thanks, lyn!

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