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Sine Wave/Periodic/Variable Frequency Power

05/01/2013 10:47 AM

How do you differentiate between sine wave power and variable frequency power in real world?

what difference will it make if the motor recieves sine instead of variable freqency power or vice-versa?

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Re: Sine Wave/Periodic/Variable Frequency Power

05/01/2013 11:10 AM

It depends upon how closely the variable frequency power from the equipment in question approaches a sine wave, and there are standards for this sort of thing; in general, if it is CE-marked and therefore pan-EEC compatible, the approach is a good one and will make very little difference.

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05/01/2013 11:43 AM

Thanks for your ans PWSlack:

Lets say if the sine wave is converted to variable frequency by VFD then supplied to motor.

My question is what difference will it make in motor behaviour if variable frequency power is 50% match of sine wave or 90% match of sine wave?

whats the need of converting the sine to variable?

I came up with this question because I read that when VFD is used in front of motor, the supply gets converted into variable frequency power. Whats the need of converting? I dont know, what difference will it make if motor is fed with 2 different kinds power supplies.

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05/01/2013 12:42 PM

What big factor controls the rpm of the motor? If we change that can we not change rpm(speed).

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05/01/2013 1:07 PM

I am not asking about changing the speed of the motor.. I simply asked if someone has any idea of how a motor will behave with these two different power supplies.

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05/02/2013 5:53 AM

If you do not need to change the speed of the motor - then why in hell are you using a VSD (VFP)?

VSD are designed to provide you with a sinusoidal output at a specified frequency - which is the best and most efficient for for motors.

If you are in INDIA and are subjected to typical frequency variations of 49 - 51 Hz, . . . and you are operating a paper mill where the speed of the motors is required to be much better than +/-0.1%, . . . then you would use a VSD to provide the required frequency stability and motor speed stability required.

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05/02/2013 3:33 PM

That's kind of the question I had forming in my head, but it was more like "WTF?".

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05/01/2013 7:38 PM

The straight answer is that, all other things being equal, the speed of an AC motor is directly related to the frequency of the AC voltage applied to its terminals, and is therefore fixed to a small range off of the power line frequency.

A VFD (Variable Frequency Drive) or VSD (Variable Speed Drive) varies the frequency of the sine wave that the motor sees and adjusts its speed accordingly "fooling" the motor into operating at speeds it that its physical configuration, the number of poles, wouldn't normally allow.

Study this formula: Synchronous speed = (120 x line frequency) / number of poles.

Since the number of poles is fixed, the only variable is the line frequency at its terminals, the VFD or VSD varies this to change the speed. If you're thinking anything other than an ordinary AC motor than you should read this.

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05/02/2013 10:16 AM

Thank you so much for this explanation. You really got down to my level to make me understand. Thanks much!!

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05/02/2013 1:44 AM

One way is with an oscilloscope.

Variable frequency and sine wave are not mutually exclusive. If the VFD outputs a true sine wave, it (or its literature) will probably say so. If not, there will be increased harmonic noise from abrupt "corners" in the waveform.

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05/02/2013 11:58 AM

If you plug the motor into a sine wave power (3 phase source) the motor will run at full speed, as an example at 60Hz a typical motor may run at 1750 RPM's (here in the US probably 50Hz where you are). Any fluctuation in the frequency of the source will change the motor speed slightly.

If you install a VFD (variable frequency drive) between that source and the motor it will give you the ability to change the speed of the motor between 0 and the max speed of the motor. You will need to take a look at the motor curves to see it's best operating range. This is typically a fairly small window, any speed outside of this performance window and the motors PF and efficiency will drop of drastically.

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05/02/2013 3:35 PM

Yeah, I don't think the original concept of a VFD was quite what was getting through to the OP.

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05/02/2013 4:36 PM

Thank you so much Trecou!!

Your answer was the best !!

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