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Temperature Sensors for VFD

05/03/2013 3:38 AM

Three types of temperature sensors (for monitoring motor winding temperature) can be connected to VFD. VFD manual mentions these as PTC, KTY and ThermoClick temperature sensors. What is the difference between them? Is ThermoClick a sensor or just converter?

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Re: Temperature sensors for VFD

05/03/2013 3:56 AM

Surely the VFD manufacturer can answer these questions over the 'phone?

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05/03/2013 4:01 AM

ThermoClick is probably just a switch. The other abbreviations are unusual, but may be equivalent to RTD and TC.

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05/03/2013 4:05 AM

Acronymfinder gives PTC as Positive Temperature Coefficient, which explains the behaviour of the sensor rather than its type. The website has no meaningful suggestion for KTY among the 4 listed. It's time to pick up the phone, and ask the VFD manufacturer directly.

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05/03/2013 7:53 AM

PTC is commonly associated with the performance of a thermistor, as opposed to NTC, negative temp coefficient.

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05/03/2013 8:53 AM

PTC is Positive Temperature Coefficient "thermistor".
Uncertain about Thermoclick, but it sounds like a simple "bimetallic thermal switch".
KTY is most likely "K", "T" , and "J" (typo?) type "thermocouples" .

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05/03/2013 10:42 PM

There really is a range of KTY temperature sensors. Lenze generally recommend these for their VFD controlled motors.

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05/04/2013 7:42 AM

Thanks. Found KTY info after JRaef's post. Haven't used one of them yet. When my applications required a precise linear temperature function, I've typically used the AD592.

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05/03/2013 11:33 AM

Many VFDs now come ith the necessary circuitry to monitor the resistance change in a PTC thermistor, still the most common type of embedded thermal sensor used by motor mfrs. A PTC thermistor changes resistance rapidly as temperature exceeds a certain threshold, so they are chosen by the motor mfr such that the threshold corresponds with the thermal damage curve of the motor winding insulation. The ciruit needed to monitor this must place a small voltage on the circuit and monitor the drop across it to know when that resistance changes dramatically, indicating that the motor is over heating. A PTC thermistor is however not very linear, so it is not the best choice for READING an analog value to determine actual temperature, it's more like an overload relay, either on or off.

A KTY thermistor is a new type based on semiconductor material (silicon) that can be made to be more linear. So it needs the same circuitry to monitor it, but can more easily be used to provide an analog value that can represent actual temperature (with proper scaling). These are not yet very common in motors, they are more expensive than regular PTC resistors.

Thermo-Click is a trade name of a bimetal thermal switch made by Siemens embedded in the motor windings (you are likely reading this on a Siemens drive spec). Here in the US the predominant brand name is "Klixon" and the term is used a lot as if it is generic, but Kilxon is a trademark of Texas Intsruments so they do not allow competitors, or OEMs who use competitor versions, to use that name. Regardless of the name used, it is a simplistic bi-stable device that "clicks" to an open state when heated up above a threshold. So the exact same circuit that is monitoring resistance in the PTC or KTY devices can look for infinite resistance, the "click" to an open circuit, of that thermal device to know that the motor is over heated.

So bottom line, what your drive is really saying through all that jargon is, it has a resistance monitoring circuit that can be connected to external thermal sensors. However it cannot accurately monitor an RTD, because that takes a more sophisticated circuit. So rather than have to explain that, they chose instead to specifically list the types of devices it can monitor.

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05/05/2013 12:31 AM

In motor mostly PT100 RTD used for measure the temperature. and K type Therocouple used for higher range of temperature.

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