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Difference Between Sulfur and Silicone in A184M Steel

06/10/2013 8:07 AM

Does anyone know the difference of nickel plated steel (A184M) with respect to properties of the steel if it has 0.002% Silicone as opposed to < 0.03% Sulfur and vice versa? We are having trouble progressive stamping with this type of steel.

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Re: Difference between Sulfer and Silicone in A184M steel

06/10/2013 8:29 AM

It sounds as though the steel is wrong, hence the <...trouble progressive stamping...>.

Use the right steel instead.

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Re: Difference between Sulfer and Silicone in A184M steel

06/10/2013 8:43 AM

Sulfer Sulfur or Sulphur.

Silicone Silicon.

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06/10/2013 8:52 AM

Sorry,

This shows how much I know about this.

It's Sulfur and Silicon.

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Re: Difference Between Sulfer and Silicone in A184M Steel

06/10/2013 9:12 AM

Sulphur and Silcon are not exclusive as being part of the mix.

Usually there is a lab report with a batch of steel which shows the content of all elements. Then there should be a material specification that tells the limits of the major elements in the mix.

I have nothing about A184M so you would have to find the specification to be sure.

Properties will change with different concentrations of each element. Try this

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06/10/2013 9:25 AM

Thank you.

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06/10/2013 10:53 AM

ASTM A184 / A184M is titled 'Standard Specification for Welded Deformed Steel Bar Mats for Concrete Reinforcement'. This doesn't sound like a specification that would be used in progressive stamping.

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06/10/2013 11:17 AM

I'm just taking the number off of our spec sheet (184M). There is a lot I don't know, if that isn't too obvious. I do know it's a nickel plated cold rolled steel.

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06/10/2013 11:26 AM

It won't be re-bar, then. Rust is important in re-bar to aid the grip with the concrete.

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06/10/2013 11:15 AM

I don't know of any benefit of any appreciable amount of sulfur in steel.

Silicon on the other hand increases electrical resistivity in steel. You stamping what will be electrical parts?

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06/10/2013 11:18 AM

Yes,

But our spec requires Sulfur and the spec sheet of the material states Silicon instead.

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06/10/2013 11:27 AM

Then it's still the wrong steel.

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06/10/2013 3:10 PM

Are you certain that there isn't a requirement to restrict sulfur content to a certain maximum value, rather than a requirement for a minimum value?

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06/11/2013 1:02 AM

Sulphur, among other elements, improves the workability of steel. It may aid in the stamping process.

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06/11/2013 11:21 AM

That certainly is news to me. I have never heard of sulfur improving the workability of steel. Do you have a reference with more details?

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06/11/2013 12:35 PM

I read in wikipedia that metals with sulfur are more malleable than with metals that don't have any. Our issue here are our parts cracking which says to me that it is more brittle.

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06/11/2013 1:21 PM

Sulfur is known to reduce ductility, impact toughness, and weldability, among other undesirable effect.

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Please provide a link to what you read, even Wikipedia as it should have supporting references or be corrected.

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06/11/2013 3:08 PM

I'll have to revise my statement about "workability", the correct word should have been "machineability."

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06/14/2013 11:27 AM

Machinability or workability a reference would still be great and much appreciated.

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Iron/sulfur compounds should not improve machinability or workability in any way I can think of. If you have some reference to some compound or process which I am overlooking or of which of unaware I would appreciate being made aware (in the form of a reference which I can research further).

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