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Equation for ANSI 37.42 K Type Maximum Melting Curve

06/27/2013 1:36 PM

Good day all,

I am trying to find an equation relating the current to the operating time for the maximum melting curve of k type fuses (Manufactured by Chance or Cooper both use the same time current characteristic curves). Please any help will be much appreciated.

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Re: Equation for ANSI 37.42 K Type Maximum Melting Curve

06/27/2013 2:52 PM

Don't have a clue.

Have you asked Chance or Cooper for help?

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Re: Equation for ANSI 37.42 K Type Maximum Melting Curve

06/27/2013 3:16 PM

Something like this?? From S&C's website, there are others, you may have to scale the numbers to fit the Type K characteristics, or do the research yourself.

S&C Fault Fiter Electronic Power Fuses
Compound-Curve-Type Control Module (TCC 420-7)
Total Clearing Time-Current Characteristic Curve Dated September 8, 1986
Tolerance: Curves are plotted to maximum test points. All variations are minus
Short Time Delay Band: 1
Min P/U = 400AMin P/U = 600AMin P/U = 800AMin P/U = 1100A
CurrentTimeCurrentTimeCurrentCurrentCurrentTime
8424.740.018424.740.018424.740.018424.740.01
8424.740.0148448424.740.0148448424.740.0148448424.740.014844
8391.110.0208768391.110.0208768391.110.0208768391.110.020876
8249.670.0246958249.670.0246958249.670.0246958249.670.024695
8029.910.0256258029.910.0256258029.910.0256258029.910.025625
7894.550.0298327894.550.0298327894.550.0298327894.550.029832
7792.590.0331687792.590.0331687792.590.0331687792.590.033168
7258.50.0352197258.50.0352197258.50.0352197258.50.035219
7258.50.0433627258.50.0433627258.50.0433627258.50.043362
7258.50.0666597258.50.0666597258.50.0666597258.50.066659
7258.50.0855927258.50.0855927258.50.0855927258.50.085592
7258.50.0921667258.50.0921667258.50.0921667258.50.092166
6788.110.0946886788.110.0946886788.110.0946886788.110.094688
5686.940.1037095686.940.1037095686.940.1037095686.940.103709
4651.420.1194134651.420.1194134651.420.1194134651.420.119413
3714.240.1423933714.240.1423933714.240.1423933714.240.142393
2945.190.1754922945.190.1754922945.190.1754922945.190.175492
2230.380.2305792230.380.2305792230.380.2305792230.380.230579
1800.690.2890481800.690.2890481800.690.2890481800.690.289048
1472.810.3648891472.810.3648891472.810.3648891472.810.364889
1261.340.4299181261.340.4299181261.340.4299181261.340.429918
1204.630.455591204.630.455591204.630.455591204.630.45559
1088.90.5172851088.90.5172851088.90.5172851204.630.638802
978.4120.585575978.4120.585575978.4120.5855751204.630.858851
875.6190.663543875.6190.663543875.6190.6635431204.631.24338
780.4970.772471780.4970.772471875.6190.8692191204.631.65838
716.180.861431716.180.861431875.6191.227321204.632.4226
659.1370.97029659.1370.97029875.6191.703761204.633.2669
585.7721.17449659.1371.03235875.6192.461671204.636.90913
536.4271.32955659.1371.31632875.6193.468911204.6317.599
488.7891.59974659.1371.80912875.6194.859051204.6360.9984
451.2091.87168659.1372.58271875.61910.77081204.63240.291
443.6042.00138659.1373.65773875.61924.13941204.631000.1
443.6042.2838659.1375.33796875.61981.0324
443.6043.57099659.1377.34371875.619249.099
443.6044.64524659.13718.2077876.4951000.1
443.6046.49377659.13755.3042
443.6049.54335659.137227.659
443.60414.4377659.1371000.1
443.60436.3374
443.604132.138
443.604424.05
443.6041000.1
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Re: Equation for ANSI 37.42 K Type Maximum Melting Curve

06/27/2013 3:30 PM

I don't think the Mfrs generally publish that info on their fuse data sheets. The curves are what people generally work with to do coordination. Cooper Bussman says on their data sheets that the curves are plotted from test data at ambient starting temp of 25C, suggesting that although they may have started with a formula, the resulting fuse design (and curves) are based on what they measured in the test lab.

The following link gives some info on correlating different Mfrs' fuses. Maybe there's something that could be helpful to you:

https://www.fusetek.com/

The other place to check would be if you know someone with SKM PowerTools or a similar protective device coordination package. They may have formulae for the fuse curves - I seem to remember there was for some of the relay pickup curves.

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Re: Equation for ANSI 37.42 K Type Maximum Melting Curve

06/28/2013 3:24 AM

Why?

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Re: Equation for ANSI 37.42 K Type Maximum Melting Curve

06/28/2013 4:42 PM

The curves look approximately hyperbolic, which makes sense. If so, a formula like t = C/I should be close (where C is parameter depending on the nominal fuse rating).

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Re: Equation for ANSI 37.42 K Type Maximum Melting Curve

07/01/2013 10:26 PM

Friend,

A Google search gave me this reference as a footnote to an on-line calculator:

References: The Preece and Onderdonk equations for fusible metals were found in the Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers, 15th Edition 2007, Ed. by H. Wayne Beaty and Donald G. Fink. McGraw Hill 4-25

Of course, you have to consider the effects of the other materials surrounding the fusible element in a fuse, because the Onderdonk equation is only valid for a wire in free air without accounting for end-effects (conduction of heat away by the ends). Perhaps you could use the Onderdonk equations to calculate the theoretical time it takes to fuse the wire and compare this to the fuse manufacturers' data sheets at the different currents. This may give you an approximate correction factor to the equation. . .

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