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Do You Remember...

07/08/2013 5:36 AM

When pressing ctrl-alt-del would actually stop all the processes on the PC?
I just tried to look on this CR4 post.
Seeing Double: TSMC Adopts New Lithography Technique to Push Moore's Law to 20nm

It loaded one screen then locked for ages, waiting for some fatuous site (I think it had twitter in the address... and personally I never want to get within spitting distance of twitter)... eventually it got round to servicing the ctrl-alt-del but what's the point?

There's also that entirely pointless key on the top row that says Pause/Break or is that for linking to your coffee machine. ?

Well that's got that off my chest, I'll get back into the garage and continue with cleaning up the sap wood on my latest Yew Warbow

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07/08/2013 6:34 AM

The machines are becoming independent, soon you won't have any manual input at all, you'll just answer questions, and the machine will make the decisions on what to do....

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07/08/2013 9:08 AM

Do any of the keys in the top row have a function?

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07/08/2013 9:24 AM

Dunno...

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07/08/2013 1:28 PM

How to strangle your baby and make it look like an accident .

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07/08/2013 1:32 PM

Which is why I have a wireless keyboard!

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07/08/2013 9:54 AM

Don't get me cranked up.

Remember when the on/off switch actually turned a computer on or off instanly? Today the on/off switch is just a suggestion.

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07/09/2013 3:32 PM

and it is no longer a reboot, cold start and warm start.

That CTRL Alt Del was/is meant to take you task manager as long as task manager is working. If virus is the task manager then just it will keep you fooling.

Long ago CTRL C could stop the program but all these are buried now in history.

In my one new computer that SRAM battery gives problem when it loses connection. I wonder why they have SRAM with battery when there are Flash, EEPROM, FRAM, Spin RAM, so why those stupid nVSRAM with battery?

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07/08/2013 10:11 AM

Dang...saw this thread and was hoping someone knew a new keystroke that would allow me to break into the processing and stop a hung program. I used to be able to go into task manager and end process to stop them...but that doesn't work all the time anymore either :'(

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07/08/2013 11:31 AM

Alt+F4 closes programs but it won't really stop a hung program it is like clicking the X.

Ctrl+Shift+Esc brings you directly to the task manager but isn't any better than ctrl alt delete just a few less clicks.

Wish I knew a magic keystroke that would always close a hung program also but it doesn't happen that often to me.

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07/08/2013 2:04 PM

Ever since the 80386 architecture, there has been a special input pin, SMM. This has never been connected to an timer in any of the PC mother boards I know of. This is System Management Mode, same as the Supervisor on 68000 Motorola extensions. It requires an OS that supports this. It's a "special" NMI pin, that vectors the processor to a dedicated memory area where the OS would reside. And the only one I'm aware of is what is called a partitioned OS. This is so a hung virtual machine, can be ignored, and has no affect on any other running processes. Billy boy Gates didn't drive his product down this path. And I don't think Apple did either.

Modern Avionics use this, so each of the DO178 (this is a RTCA specification, Radio Technical Commission for Avionics, a software verification method) verified processes can exist with different verification levels, from A to E (Critical to non-essential) running on the same processor. This has been certified in the Boeing 787 systems. When I left, they were having lot's of fun figuring out how to do this with multi-core.

At any rate, it would be handy for this on PCs.

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07/08/2013 4:07 PM

I love the quote from the inventor (David Bradley) of the three finger salute

"I may have invented it (control-alt-delete), but I think Bill made it famous".

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07/08/2013 5:12 PM

Should be changed to
"I may have invented it (control-alt-delete), but I think Bill made it stop working"
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07/08/2013 5:24 PM

Take it further.

If Bill hears there is something we like, he "fixes it".

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07/08/2013 9:49 PM

With a new windows version, where you have to re-learn everything again.

Ever noticed that my AT 16MHZ PC took the same time to start up as my current 2.4Ghz laptop?

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07/08/2013 1:07 PM

On my PC (Dell desktop), when I get a fatally hung program I can hold-in the power button for about 7 seconds and that forces a complete, instant shutdown.

Needless to say, the boot-up afterward takes forever, since the PC does a check of the disk for errors, so start up takes about 4 minutes longer.

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07/08/2013 1:29 PM

A crossbow bolt from a 275# draw weight crossbow, has a similar effect, but more satisfying.
Mind the re-boot isn't garanteed.

Maybe if we all click our heels and shout Mr Gates real loud we'll be ignored same as always? He's prob behind the curtain, trying to figure out how to fix a hung up PC
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07/09/2013 6:48 PM

I get the same result pulling the power cord from the wall socket.

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07/10/2013 2:53 AM

Reminds me of the old one.

Q. How many programmers does take to change a lightbulb?
A. None... it's a hardware problem

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07/11/2013 11:34 AM

Another oldie:

Engineers out for a car ride when the car stops running. Mechanical engineer says he knows what it is, "it's the belt". The electrical engineer disagrees, "its the coil, contacts need cleaning." Software engineer says, "No, it's simpler than that, we close all the windows and get out, get back in and open the windows again and we're on our way."

I remember DOS quite fondly, I seemed to think in DOS, if I didn't know a command I usually got it first or second try without having to pore through the instructions. I don't know what that says about me

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07/11/2013 8:31 PM

Somebody needs to come out with a DOS system again...I'd use it. I don't mind looking at names in a list instead of having to visually search a gazillion different graphical icons.

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You could use Linux without a GUI

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07/12/2013 8:57 AM

I would like to use linux with a gui...I just don't have the time right now to wade into that soup (but it is on my list of things to learn!)

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07/12/2013 9:06 AM

Can I tack my list onto the end of yours please? You are just as likely to do it all as I am. I can tell Mrs Cat it's your fault then
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07/12/2013 10:09 AM

Ok...but only if there is a nice pretty longbow in my future!

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Yeah, sure, I'll write it on the list
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07/09/2013 1:48 AM

On a Mac, you have the option of clicking and waiting over the dock icon for the offending program to get a menu which includes the option to Quit. If that fails, a repeat will give a Force Quit option. Works nearly every time, although it may take 20s or so to end processor-intensive hangs.

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07/09/2013 8:42 AM

Del, I remember... and I'm moderately young!
I never did use Pause/Break or Scroll lock. I think both can be used for typing documents to do... something. But if my memory serves at all, they are functions that one would normally do in some other way. Mostly useless.

Even worse than when ctrl+alt+del doesn't work very quickly to bring up the task manager... is when it does not bring up the task manager at all.

I have worked on a PC like that occassionally. I advocate a full re-format of the hard drive as a solution... but the owner "just likes" the computer, doesn't want to get rid of it, and doesn't want to re-format. So I tell her "yes dear" and refuse to work on the blasted thing when it continues to act up!

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