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Internal Cleaning of Pipe Line

08/27/2013 9:51 AM

Is there any other method of cleaning the pipeline internally rather than pigging?

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08/27/2013 9:58 AM

Of course. Here are some more:

  • Appropriate selection of materials for the fluid being conveyed
  • Appropriate level of internal polish
  • Chemical sanitisation
  • Flushing
  • High-pressure water jetting
  • Steam sanitisation
  • Internal lining
  • Etc.
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08/27/2013 10:12 AM

What are you cleaning........ Petroleum, Dairy, solvents, chemical, tar.....?

Size of pipeline?

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08/27/2013 10:19 AM

... and what are the wetted materials and their grade of internal polish?

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08/27/2013 1:18 PM

Thames Water has removed a "bus-sized lump" of fat mixed with wet wipes that had formed in drains under a road in Kingston, Surrey.
CCTV investigations found the mound of fat had reduced the 70 x 48 cm sewer to just 5% of its normal capacity.


What I find the most incredible is the fact that a "bus-sized lump" is able to fit in a sewage pipe 27" x 19" in size??


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08/27/2013 12:52 PM

T.U.R.P. and antibiotics? Or is that also pigging?

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08/27/2013 3:09 PM

Depending on the fluid in your pipeline, a product like Amertap or Taprogge might do the trick. They are designed to slide through condensor tubes, but if you put a bunch of them in a straight pipeline and increase the flow rate you will get a nice turbulent flow that will make the little suckers bounce around and clean the pipe walls.

This will not be as thorough as pigging, but if repeated often enough it will do the job.

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08/27/2013 4:14 PM

Epsom Salts, or X-Lax chocolate, (usual disclaimer) might also work.

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08/27/2013 10:23 PM

Before you can ask how to clean the inside of a pipe line you must give at least the following information:

What are the materials being transferred in the line? What are their properties? How are different materials separated?

What size is the line? If size varies, what are the lengths and sizes of each segment?

What material is the pipe made of? Does it change at any point?

Are there any access points to the line (Tees. pig entry points that could be used for access other than pig entry/removal, etc.?

What are the elevations, changes in elevation and location of changes?

What are the components of its construction? Tees, mitered elbows, 22's, 33's, 45's or 60's, etc. Where?

Why do you want to clean it?

What is the finish on the internals?

Has it been relined? If so, with what? What is the integrity of the liner?

How is it constructed? Welded, flanged (if yes, what type?), threaded, cemented, glued, etc.

What are the design pressure rating and the operating pressure?

Why don't you want to use pigs? There are pigs that clean and do little or no damage to the internals of the pipe lines.

What cleaning compounds and the materials they are mixed with are readily available? For example- water, nitrogen, solvents, compressed air, etc.

What codes are applicable to the line? Also a brief description of the code(s) and their application to the line.

Are there any access limitations? Body of water, trees, nearby houses, no roads, etc.

Are there any noise or permissible work hours limitations? Many locations have permitted noise levels and permissible work hours for construction or other potentially noisy work.

All of these plus others, although all may not be necessary for this project, are needed to develop a good question, With this the posters can give you a good answer applicable to your need to know other cleaning methods rather than pigging.

Good question brings good answers.

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08/27/2013 11:17 PM

The gasket material or jointing compound needs to be compatable with the proposed cleaning method also.

Getting it wrong results in a lot of mirth and overtime payments for others.

Cleaning anything is always a good job for someone else and a great opportunity for them to learn the systems thoroughly.

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08/28/2013 2:41 AM

You are right old salt .

Actually i was asking about gas pipelines. i am working in a gas company where MILD STEEL pipe of different diameter let say (4"-12") dumped / stacked mostly for 1-2 year. now during this period internal corrosion occurred. When these pipes welded at site and we do pigging it cant be cleaned completely by using washer pigs or any others pigs.

My question was: Is there any other method of cleaning gas pipe lines instead of pigging which can clean internally and remove corrosion or reduce corrosion?

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08/28/2013 4:44 AM

Well, it's only taken nineteen posts, many in the wrong direction, before additional information comes to light enabling a closer approach to a solution.

It is bizarre that piping is to be installed that is incompatible with the process fluids in the first place to the point where the cleaning of internal corrosion is being considered before installation. As the pipe walls will have been reduced in thickness as a result of the corrosion, surely a hydraulic test is a prerequisite before cleaning? After all, there is no point in cleaning a pipe that is no longer capable of sustaining the pressure of the contents, especially flammable ones like fuel gas. Replacement with more resilient materials would seem a better way to go. Many gas mains these days are installed in plastic pipe, for example.

Very strange.

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08/28/2013 7:18 AM

This has been happening quite often. Improper data confuses all participants and there lot of hula hula about the question being asked. I suggest following to avoid such situation. CR4 admin. should make a format (similar to below) for any one asking for answers.:-

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08/28/2013 9:50 AM

As has been said, check the thickness and if there has been significant metal loss you will need to replace the pipe.

I would consider replacing it anyway, do a cost benefit analysis to see if it is better to pay to replace it or pay to clean it; either way you will have to pay.

If the pipe is laying exposed, and you choose to clean it I would choose a chemical rust remover. Or you could go with a physical cleaning through sandblasting, I think one of my contractors mentioned a system they used that was a small machine you pushed down the pipe and it would blast the inside as it went.

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08/28/2013 4:09 PM

Kashan-

It's not clear to me, probably my fault just ask my wife, but:

Have these pipes already been installed?

If yes, have they already been installed and welded?

If yes, has the gas already been loaded into the pipeline?

If yes, how will it be vented?

If the pipes haven't been put in place yet:

How and where were they stored? Stacked, random on ground, wet atmosphere, etc.

If not done, why weren't plastic caps/plugs specified for the ends of the pipes to reduce oxidation and dirt when it was supplied by the mill?

How heavy or thick is the rust?

These, especially the installed/storage items, would be very valuable in determining a good answer to your question.

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08/27/2013 10:59 PM

I heard Willy Wonka is hiring out his Umpa Lumpas. You might be able to get a good deal.

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08/28/2013 12:16 AM

Oompa Loompa no clean pipe....

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08/28/2013 12:26 AM

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08/28/2013 8:23 AM

Bite the bullet and pig it out.

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08/28/2013 5:15 PM

I don't know but if the pipe is so corroded that you can't run a pig though it, I would really be nervous about running some cleaning solution though it also. How safe do you think it is to run gas under pressure through it possible micro cracks etc? What does ASME say?

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08/28/2013 6:11 PM

Good idea to check ASME.

I think from the conversation so far the OP does not think pigging would be sufficient to clean all or enough of the corrosion to a 'clean enough' state. I think something was mentioned about different sizes and some not being installed yet, both of which make pigging difficult unless launchers and receivers are not already installed adequately.

The premise I am going on is that they have pipe that got left in a damp field and want to use it. Given this, if the choice has already been made to recover and use the pipe and the OP is tasked with such recovery I would look for either a chemical coating that will bond with the rusty metal and leave a smooth epoxy lined finish or find a way to sandblast it back to bare metal (then coat it to prevent future rusting).

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08/31/2013 12:23 AM

Kashan-

You haven't specified how much of the piping you have to clean, whether it has been already welded in place, is it still to be fabricated, how is it stored, what fittings are incorporated with it (elbows, tees, pig access points) and several other points. This would have helped to get a better answer but for a hypothetical pipeline which contains one mile of each of the pipe sizes you gave the volume would be: 12"- 31,101 gal; 10"- 21,598 gal; 8"- 13,823 gal; 6"- 7,775 gal; and 4"- 3,455 gal; for a total capacity of 77,754 gal. This is the capacity of 15ea DOT-407 tank trailers.

If there was a liquid that could be used to clean your pipeline it would take that much compound (at $?????) to clean it and then that much material to be disposed of at ($???????). Add to that the cost of disposal if it was a hazardous material and that increases the transportation and disposal cost by a factor of at least 5 times. This would be a quite expensive and bothersome method of cleaning if it were available, which it is not.

I consulted with the guy who runs the galvanic protection dept. at the local compressor plant for a 48" gas pipeline and he said there is nothing liquid that could be used. The only time that water is put into a gas pipeline is when it is being hydro-tested after construction or extremely major repairs before it is put into service.

Although you have stated you wanted an alternative to pigging, the only way to clean it, if it has already been welded and installed, is pigging.

If you have had poor cleaning by pigging the pipeline in the past, contact a manufacturer of pigs and ask them what they can supply for your situation. They are much more familiar than almost all of us on this forum. Several manufactures are; Girard Industries http://www.girardind.com/

or Pipeline Pigging Products www.pipepigs.com

If the pipes haven't been installed yet and still in the storage area a sophisticated water pressure washer might work. Make a head on it slightly under the i.d. of the pipe, mount numerous high pressure heads (5,000 to 10,000 psi heads, not the common consumer pressure washer), mount this on a long pole or pipe, supply it with an appropriate high pressure pump and push/pull it through the pipes lengths. After doing this you will have to heat the water to evaporate it and prevent rust from reforming. One possibility would be Salamander heaters at the end blowing hot air through the pipe sections.

It looks like you will have to find a better pigging system since it seems to be the only choice.

Good Luck, Old Salt

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