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K Factor for Battey Sizing

08/31/2013 10:54 PM

Dear Sir

I had goone through IEEE 485/1115 for sizing of battery,I got everything about sizing batteries but unable to understand how to calculate K (performance factor),I had gone through the manual of battery,But not able to get it.Request to provide the solution.

Lets say for 1.10 V i want to know how to derive k factor for

1 minute load @ 125A

1-119 minute load @ 50A

120 Minute load @ 150A

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08/31/2013 11:23 PM
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08/31/2013 11:58 PM

Dear SolarEagal

About proceedure concept is clear but I am particularly stucked at the K factor, it will be very helpful if you check the data given in the question and attached catelouge and tell how it will be calculated using attached catelouge.

The term Kt is the ratio of ampere-hour capacity, at a standard time rate, at 25oC and to a defined minimum voltage which can be delivered for t minutes.

I am sure the data given by me is sufficent to calculate K factor but dont know how to calculate it from catelouge.

Defination of Kt here is also confusing.

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09/01/2013 2:54 AM

This would be an example of non-discharge rate dependent model...and not allowing for design factors etc....

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09/01/2013 1:55 AM

Dear Iyn Sir,

I am a regular reader of this forum and I am big fan of yours.I request you to guide how to calculate k factor manually.Our client is not comfortable with calculations done by the software.

So I is my request you to pl prove your expertise for the manual calculation.

For 1.10 V i want to know how to derive k factor for

1 minute load @ 125A

1-119 minute load @ 50A

120 Minute load @ 150A

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09/01/2013 3:32 AM

"Our client is not comfortable with calculations done by the software."

Would it reassure your client to know you are asking a random group of guys on the internet?

I'm sure someone would be willing to help for a portion of your fee.

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09/02/2013 10:43 AM

GA.. @OP....and how comfortable would they be knowing they hired the wrong guy!!

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09/01/2013 12:52 PM

We help people to learn how to fish, we do not provide free fish so that you can turn around and sell them at a profit.

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09/01/2013 1:47 PM

Hello

I had not asked any thing particular from you.If you cant help keep mum.

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09/01/2013 3:57 PM

Now I regret helping at all.....If you are not willing to try to learn, then stop wasting peoples time....Whether this is homework or a valid work request, it behooves you to learn how to do it yourself, not rely on others to do your work for you.....

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09/01/2013 8:04 PM

Actually you did, you asked me to share my specialized knowledge of this topic. I prepared a direct answer to your question, complete with formula and examples, which I was preparing to post when I saw your later responses, hence my curt reply.

Sorry, no free lunches for wannabe consultants, but I do appreciate that you identified yourself at the bottom (how appropriate) of post #4 so that someone in your client's or your own organization might see what you're about.

At this point I will remain mum, and trust that the rest of the forum members will heed your advice as well.

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09/02/2013 6:14 AM

Quotations for help can be prepared and sent using http://www.indiacatalog.com/web_directory/electrical/electrical.html for directions.

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09/03/2013 4:28 AM

Dear Mr.RAMConsult,

I share with your feelings. About last year a similar situation, I addressed to the Moderator, to remove the posting.

You are correct, and many basic questions are raised in this Forum, which makes to feel, that such easy going individual want somebody to do their job. Due to this,the CR4 standards are coming down, which is a cause of concern.

May I conclude that we can ignore such indecent behaviour of worth less individuals.

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09/03/2013 4:48 AM

Dear Mr.RAMConsult,

I am intrested to know some details on K factor, for Battery Sizing. Pl. consider my request to post the information through CR4 Personal Messaging.

Above all I request you not to mistake me that I am asking for details when you are offended by some worthless individual.

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12/09/2013 3:12 AM

sir, I went through the thread. I have developed complete calculation, but Kt factors are not provided by EXIDE or any other vendor for Plante/VRLA/HDP. I need to submit them for getting approval. Is it available? or it is interpretation from data available? i am searching this since long but not getting answer. pls help.

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12/09/2013 10:14 AM

Kapil,

There is information available on the web from other vendors, but I cannot suggest to you how transferable it is from one design to another. I also noted that there is an Indian battery manufacturer with "Exide" in it, but it does not appear to have any connection to any other of the "Exides", though you may want to read as much as you can about similarly named batteries in the rest of the world. Buried in there you will find the information you seek, but you will have to use your engineering skills to determine how directly applicable it is to your particular situation.

As an alternative you could send a letter to your vendor telling them that you cannot under any circumstances include them in your bidding process because of their unresponsiveness. Good luck to you.

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09/01/2013 8:38 PM

For the record, RAMConsult knows far more about the subject at hand than I.

I don't normally even respond to people who are being paid for their work and come here wanting us to do it for them, as you have done.

Your customer doesn't trust a software program provided, for a fee by your company, and yet you have no clue how to perform the work on your own.

Good luck getting any more tutoring here.

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09/02/2013 9:54 PM

Dear Mr. lyn,

VERY TRUE.

I concur with your views and you are absolutely correct.

How precisely you have worded as "I don't normally even respond to people who are being paid for their work and come here wanting us to do it for them..." and I admire this statement.

Secondly you have depicted your GREATNESS in acknowledging the ABILITY, CAPACITY and CAPABILITY of other Members - in this case Mr.RAMConsult.

HATS OFF TO YOU.

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09/02/2013 10:52 AM

A lack on knowledge is tolerated for the most part, as no-one knows it all... many think they do, but we know they don't. What is NOT tolerated is bad manners and a lack of respect, and you my friend have displayed both.

Therefore, the collective knowledge which is usually shared willingly, will now be harder to get than doo-doo from a rocking horse!

It is also worth noting that while you might change your name, handle, avatar, etc.... someone will recognise you and you will be treated accordingly!

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09/02/2013 11:02 PM

Dear All

I am extremely sorry to all of you.

What I was written was a result of extreme pressure from my seniors and client.As I am new in this professional world so dont know how to proceed.

I am an idiot who dont know how to proceed.

Sorry once again.

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Surely there must be another individual at the facility who can act as a Mentor?

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09/03/2013 3:48 AM

G'oglin' the [ computation "performance factor" coulombs Ah storage ]

seems to correlate with the p.306

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