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Parabolic Trough Piping ASME B31.1 vs B31.3

09/19/2013 1:56 PM

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We are at the specification stage for the piping (pipes between collectors) of a Parabolic trough solar camp and we have the doubt about what Code it would be more applicable, ASME B31.1 vs B31.3.

The heat thermal fluid will be water at 7 barg (101 psig) and 300ºC (662ºF).

If fluid were oil, ASME B31.3 would be the recommended, but we actually have water, so we have thought about B31.1, but this is more conservative than B31.3, so the budget would increase.

Since levels for P and T are relatively low, B31.3 could be a cheaper solution. what do you think?

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Re: PARABOLIC TROUGH PIPING ASME B31.1 vs B31.3

09/19/2013 3:05 PM

I think at 662 degF you will have steam, not water. Unless this is in a process plant of some type, I think B31.1 would apply, but I'm not insuring this. You should check with your insurer and governing authority.

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09/19/2013 8:42 PM

I think it depends on the design life....20 years or 40 years....

http://www.pipingstudy.com/difference-asme-b311-and-b313.html

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Re: Parabolic Trough Piping ASME B31.1 vs B31.3

09/20/2013 12:01 AM

This sounds more like power piping than process piping, suggesting B31.1 as the better choice. Your conditions imply superheated steam. 300°C = 572°F, so you might want to double-check those conditions.

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Re: Parabolic Trough Piping ASME B31.1 vs B31.3

09/20/2013 3:27 AM

The saturation pressure for H2O at 300degC is nearly 86barg, so the conditions indicated suggest superheated steam..

So use the right code, and to hell with the budget.

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Re: Parabolic Trough Piping ASME B31.1 vs B31.3

09/20/2013 5:44 AM

You all are right...sorry, my mistake. 7 bar is the head of the FW pump. Real pressure for the design point is 16,8 bara (236,8 psia)...at the outlet of the camp where the temperature is...199 ºC (200ºF) close to saturation point (what a mess!), so the water never boils.

I beg your pardon and re-ask the question :-)

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09/20/2013 10:09 AM

199°C ≈ 390°F.

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Re: Parabolic Trough Piping ASME B31.1 vs B31.3

09/20/2013 12:12 PM

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Re: Parabolic Trough Piping ASME B31.1 vs B31.3

09/20/2013 12:12 PM

...here I go again

You all are right...sorry, my mistake. 7 bar is the head of the FW pump. Real pressure for the design point is 16,8 bara (236,8 psia)...at the outlet of the camp where the temperature is...199 ºC (390ºF) close to saturation point (what a mess!), so the water never boils.

I beg your pardon and re-ask the question :-)

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Re: Parabolic Trough Piping ASME B31.1 vs B31.3

09/20/2013 6:09 PM

This heated water then goes through a steam generator (heat exchanger) and then is returned (via pump) maybe through a cooler, and is again and is again ran through the heater (parabolic trough) heated and the cycle repeats over and over and over.

It is B31.1. Period.

Where do you think you would save money? You must have an inspector that will approve or disapprove. Rework is always more expensive than doing it right the first time.

Second guessing code will bite you in the ass most times.

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