Are Smart Meters Making People Sick?

Albert Speer wrote how he used sub sonics in the Nuremberg rallies. He would very slowly raise the subsonic volume up with each speaker during the rally. When the Fuhrer reached the stage the subsonic sound was completely removed thus invoking a mass feeling of relief and gratitude. He had arrived.

Nothing new here, move along and keep the faith.

Speaking of faith, have you ever wondered why church cathedrals have pipe organs but a church parish has only a reed organ.

Maybe that's what's wrong with tcmtech's wife??????????????

She's fine now. He got a new all terrain forklift.

Yes, and he's got another 5 gallons of hydraulic fluid on his driveway.

Well we do have an issue with Taus noise in our area. Me, my brother and my blood related niece can all hear it when its active.

Detecting it isn't exactly easy...

http://www.belljar.net/microbar.htm

Cancelling/deadening/stopping it isn't easy either.

I know.

I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything, but it's strange to see people saying that the symptoms of EMF sensitivity are real, but they can't find any reason for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

While the symptoms of infrasound are also real, provable, and at certain frequencies, match the symptoms of EMF sensitivity, but nobody is looking at it as a potential cause. Nobody.

The reason it's not being looked at, is that it's assumed that no sources of infrasound are in the area.

Anyway. It's interesting reading, and I'm just posting what I'm finding.

_{One of these days, I'm liable to stumble into something that gets me killed.}

The answer lies in the heart and the brain! (as lunatic as you may wish to think I am, so look a little closer at your own insides). The brain functions on electrical impulses. These impulses give of a frequency and each impulse varies in frequency. The heart is an electrical magnet and also provides electrical impulses. Both produce neurons which are affected by any outside stimulation, i.e frequencies, emfs. The body is a huge receptor and any changes are felt, (they may seem negligible) by the brain and heart. So this may cause side effects which in turn affect the brains functioning, the liver, heart, kidney's and of course the blood, which just happens to be conductive and full of atoms which have nuclei. So by checking the person's affected blood type, may be the lead they seek, a starting point of reference. If they all have a similar/same blood type, and they all have symptoms, well what should I say then? I will even go to the length and state, most complainants are women and young kids

Car sickness is caused by a frequency and not everyone gets car sick. People who suffer car sickness don't get ill in all cars, only some and these ones they do get sick in, have very low frequencies emitted from the engine vibration, body vibration, gear boxes etc.

As everyone's blood is different, chemically not the same due to the foods they eat, vitamins taken, the amount of liquids and types of liquids taken in by that person, we cannot say that a stray frequency will not affect anyone. It is assumed that everyone is similar and a parameter is set by selected test subjects which is applied as a norm to everyone. The fact being we are all very different and unique.

Loony, out of my head, should be committed? Perhaps! But, people do get affected by frequencies, emfs, RF, lay lines and no one tests for this at all as a general everyday living requirement. They only test for military reasons, and they have done a lot of that to suit themselves.

Now you can bring out the big guns and shoot me down, but before you do, consider the above carefully.

Doesn't sound crazy to me. I'm just surprised that they aren't able to narrow down the exact cause...whether it be blood type, brain chemistry, or whatever.

I don't believe that the people are lying, and I'm a little surprised that more people aren't looking into it.

There's also the fact that the FCC has told us to move along, there's nothing to see here...smart meters are safe.

...and yet, under the ADA, this is a recognized and labeled disability.

Which is it?

It's this taxpayer funded, nebulous bullsh*t, that leads to conspiracy theories.

Tempest. Teapot.

Thousands die from car accidents. Thousands die from smoking. Thousands die from gangs and guns. Thousands die from texting and talking on the cell phone while driving. Nobody had died from EMF from cell phones. Or smart meters.

Priorities seem to be skewed.

I don't get it. Why would the American Dental Association care about smart meters?

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Your answer lies in the real meaning of your acronym. These people are disabled. It is not a rational disability but it is a disability. Now this does open the opportunity for an idiotic bureaucrat to misapply this disability designation in at least a hundred different ways. Idiotic bureaucrats are very clever at that.

Obviously, the mind control signals are picked up by the fillings in people's teeth.

At the very least, our expanding definitions of "disability" are opening the door for massive abuse and fraud.

Drug addiction, depression, obesity......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/04/08/how-americans-game-the-200-billion-a-year-disability-industrial-complex/

Extraordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence.

Double blind studies are called for. Until then, all you have is anectotal evidence...you know the stuff that brought you the lock ness monster, big foot, and of course several recent TV shows full of bunkum.

I used to think I could predict storms when my broken foot ached. Upon more or less causual (not even double blind) I found that my foot ached whether there was a storm or not. Made me feel a bit of a fool. Once I got out of a test in Basic Training because of a phantom fishbone in my throat. The doc told me that it was really common, and not my fault. Lots of people go through that.

So seriously, whats the problem? Do some tests. See what happens. Probably what will happen is cognitive bias, confirmation bias, illusionary correlation, Cluster illusions. I could spend hours debating the illusions that stop lights are out to get me, and other things, but I think this fellow seems to have a handle on it. Worth reading the whole blog, providing you have a few months to spare. You will never see the woo woo magnetic bracelet homeopathic anti-vax chem trail crowd in the same light again.

Course I know you are already on to them.

But I suspect this entire topic is illusionary. Those who think they can make money on it will scare you if they can. Certainly Uncle Cecil thinks so. He thinks it is an illusionary thing. He mentions that people that lived under power lines were found to be sicker than people who lived away from them, and then they found that people who lived under power lines were often homeless, or unable to afford health care. Nice stupid study! Result...a tempest in a tea pot! Looked for the wrong thing!

In your first link about halfway down the first page he says this. "Most folks are neither stupid nor dumb-asses."

I stopped reading at that point.

I quit after, "Duck Soup. Funniest movie ever."

So you believe that people are, by and large dumb-asses then? He does not think so. And I never thought that YOU thought that they were.

Oh heavens. Over the years I have went from assuming everyone is intelligent until they prove otherwise to assuming most people are dumbasses with little to no common sense or capacity for logical rational thought until they prove otherwise.

Especially when it comes to them proclaiming to have a disorder or disease that can not be proven let alone tested for with repeatable results scientifically.

You do read about the nonsense my wife puts me though right?

Well, I suppose being married to a woo woo artist would skew one's attitude. But you have always given people the benefit of the doubt on this forum. Maybe you were a little ascerbic, but generally you are honest. ( Like Simon Cowel, I expect you to say "well sweetheart, you will never be a winner on this show so just leave now. Thats honest.) Hell, you give ME the benefit of the doubt most times...and I am pretty outspoken!

Nahhh...the point of his article is that people are not idiots, but they do idiot things for whatever reason. They fall for scams and advertisment promotions, and worry about what might be in their vaccinations. They buy billions of dollars in dietary supplements, and worry about the meds in their chemotherapy. The trick is not to fool yourself. Scam artists who were tested at the Rhine Institute found that the "smarter" their testers were, the easier it was to fool them. It is easy to fool a guy who says he can't be fooled.

Whatever it is; since we have the most massive, expensive government on the planet, I would expect an answer that is more concise, than....

We have nothing to indicate that smart meters and EMFs cause illness, but electromagnetic hypersensitivity is a genuine illness that is recognized as a real disability under the ADA.

If we can only get the debt ceiling raised, maybe we will get a clearer answer.

Well, thats a waffle statement. I call "false correlation" on it. As you most certainly have done! You can just as easily say, We have nothing to indicate that smart meters and EMF's cause illness, but Cancer is a genuine illness that is recognized as a real disability....etc. We could expand it to sound better (more EMFy), say by saying "we have nothing to indicate that smart meters and cell phones, but electrical power as delivered to every home in America can result in death and injury when your radio falls into your bathtub. This clearly shows that people have a sensitivity to EMF caused by radios in bathtubs. Perhaps we should just let Darwin continue....

Now if only critical thinking was taught in high school. The second link will make TCMtech chortle....

Good lord! You just insinuated that most everything my wife believes in is irrational nonsense. (As if I didn't already know.)

Here's the name for the disability, based on current knowledge:

psychosomatic [si″ko-so-mat´ik]

pertaining to the interrelations of mind and body; having bodily symptoms of psychic, emotional, or mental origin. psychosomatic disorder (psychosomatic illness) a disorder in which the physical symptoms are caused or exacerbated by psychological factors, such as migraine headache, lower back pain, or irritable bowel syndrome; see also somatoform disorders. It is now recognized that emotional factors play a role in the development of nearly all organic illnesses and that the physical symptoms experienced by the patient are related to many interdependent factors, including psychological and cultural. The physical manifestations of an illness, unless caused by mechanical trauma, cannot be divorced from a person's emotional life. Each person responds in a unique way to stress; emotions affect one's sensitivity to trauma and to irritating elements in the environment, susceptibility to infection, and ability to recover from the effects of illness. Physical conditions to which psychological factors are shown to be contributory are currently classified as psychological factors affecting medical condition. Any physical condition can be so classified, but the most frequently included are asthma, peptic ulcer, bowel disorders, cardiovascular disorders, arthritis, allergy, headache, and certain endocrine disorders. In recent years there has been some success in using behavior therapy to treat these and other illnesses whose symptoms are related to the autonomic nervous system. Clients are taught new ways of coping with stress and new patterns of behavior. Among the techniques used are biofeedback, relaxation training, classical conditioning, and operant conditioning using social and material reinforcement.

Well, if you weren't crazy before, you'd sure be after trying to read and understand that line of whacky bull crap.

Why don't the just say, it's all in your mind, now get over it!

Its all Mind over matter. They don't mind and we don't matter.

So Matic, can we be psycho?

Trouble is Kramarat, AND Lyn, psychosomatic illnesses exist, and can be treated. I mentioned that I missed an important test back in basic training because of a phantom fishbone in my throat. It was as real to me as this coffee cup in front of me now! But it was my mind trying desperately to get out of a critical spot. It was fixed when the medical professional explained all that stuff to me, and just like magic, my mind made it go away. (I ended up recoursed to a different two week later trade stream, but the note from the doc kept me from getting tossed out.)

So I have sympathy. Mental illnesses are not contagious, nor do they imply that the person who suffers from them are crazy. We have to get over this attitude. Does it justify classifying it as a disability? Well...once we get a classification, you can get treatment. Disability in Canada is part of the Welfare system, not the medical system, and its not very much, most don't consider it enough to live on. I know people on disability who are simply obese. They need enablers to maintain their weight. But at least, when you end up "in the system", you can get help. If you want it. There may be abuses to the "system", but that doesn't make it it broken. Your system in the US (regarding welfare and disability) is much the same as ours, and people suffer, game the system, and mess up. Thats what people do. Work to amend the system. Or shrug and remember that unlike your money, government money just goes out and comes back in a weeks time. Economics 101.

But then, we get onto politics, and away from the intent of this thread and CR4 in general. So I will quit now.

Maybe the coffee cup is just a figment of your overstimulated psyche. Get over it!

That was my point.

Psychosomatic illness is treatable, electromagnetic hypersensitivity disorder is not.

What the hell are we doing?!!

I've known a person that had so convinced themselves that they were sick, (despite no medical causes being found), that they were able to will themselves to an early grave.

I think that's the road my wife wants to take. She is 37 and thinks she is a burned out old woman so she acts like it much to my dislike.

Pretty much every physical ailment she has is something that can easily be cured by basic exercise and taking care of ones self or be handled with basic medication.

Yusef1, you are absolutely correct that psychosomatic illnesses are real illnesses. The symptoms and complaints of each illness are part of the key for treatment. So identifying a common type of psychosomatic illness with a specific disorder name is just part of illness recognition and treatment protocol. I just wished that they had used a non-descriptive name for this disorder. IMHO a non-descriptive name would promote treatment protocols to stay between patient and caregiver (psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist, etc.), by including the description it promotes the idea that the wrong things are the true source of the problem. I believe that psychosomatic conditions are a case where more mystery is a better approach.

I would be interested in seeing what happens, if a "dummy" smart meter was installed at these people's homes. No communications capability at all, but looking like any other smart meter. Would the illness go away?

I agree. By assigning a name like they have, they have essentially eliminated psychosomatic illness as a possible cause, and convinced these people that they were right.

...or it's real; and if that's the case, show me the data that justifies giving it a name.

On a side note- Cuba Pete may be gone forever, but when I go on my government rants, it's because I want the deadwood eliminated, and our government workforce filled with more people like you and Cuba.

Is that unreasonable?

"I would be interested in seeing what happens, if a "dummy" smart meter was installed at these people's homes. No communications capability at all, but looking like any other smart meter. Would the illness go away?"

I have doubts from personal experience of dealing with a person with psychosomatic issues.

If their own smart meter disappears then obviously it was not theirs that is causing the problem. It's the next nearest one at the neighbor's house and so on and so forth.

The sane person never wins. You might break even once in a while but should you start beating them at their own game the rules will immediately change and to be honest if you beat them at their own game long enough ultimately you and everyone like you is the problem.

Seen the movie; got the T shirt.

Your statement is partially true. It is also the frequency, coupled with the EMF, coupled to the conductivity of the water that may cause disability when the mains powered wireless, (radio) falls in your bathtub.

So if you had earth fault units (RCD) installed in the DB this could not happen, hence no disable bathtub dwellers. No sensitivity to a person, no disability payments. Wala!

Ever watch a movie called 'Cubic?' I think that sums up what is happening in the world with smart meters and other items.

Getting bombarded by the same message in the series on the History Channel, everything that is Odd, leaps in science, the debt, i came to the following conclusion!

Londo Molari!

Logically, if they are taking them out or offering an opt out plan, it should make one wonder.

1. They do cause problems and Joe Public has not been properly informed of the problems...cover up.

2. They don't want law suite that cannot be substantiated fully, in their favour, so they pay up due to lack of evidence and are mitigating the risk.

"It is life Jim, just not as we know it!" May be applicable here.