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Volume Difference for Same File While Copying

10/28/2013 10:32 AM

VOLUME DIFFERENCE FOR SAME FILE WHILE COPYING From 500 GB HARD DISC to 1000GB (1 TERA BYTE DISC)

To-day, I had observed that while copying few files from 500 GB HARD DISC to another 1000 GB (1 TERA BYTE DISC), the volume is less. In the 500 GB Hard Disc, the Volume was 109.2 GB, and in the 1 TB Hard disc, the volume is 78.3 GB only.

I thought few files were NOT copied and I cross checked, the files one by one. All the files, were copied. But the Volume Difference is still found.

My understanding is File Volume should be the same, Irrespective of the Size of the Hard Disc.

The question is HOW COME THE DIFFERENCE IN VOLUME FOR THE SAME FILES IN TWO DIFFERENT HARD DISC .of DIFFERENT CAPACITIES.?

I request CR4 MEMBERS to post the answer here. Incidentally I am not a Computer/Soft Ware Engineer.

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10/28/2013 10:46 AM

Please don't shout.

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10/29/2013 3:53 AM

Really Sorry Mr.Tornado.

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10/28/2013 12:11 PM

Maybe the files were compressed when they were copied.

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10/29/2013 3:58 AM

Dear Mr.lyn,

Thank you for your response.

I have simply copied and pasted. I have not compressed by win zip.

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10/28/2013 12:23 PM

Check the file system on the hard drives. If one is formatted FAT16 or FAT 32 or NTFS and the other one not it could show different files size for same file.

The reason is that the files might need more space on the disk due to cluster size and/or due to level of fragmentation. The system should give you two values for your files:

1. Size of file

2. Size on disk

Check the properties. Number one should be the same but the second one could differ. This is particularly obvious in larger file sizes.

Hope this explains it!

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10/29/2013 4:00 AM

Thank you Mr.IdeaSmit, for your advise. I will check up. However, it is quite intresting for me.

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10/29/2013 10:26 AM

Hard drives when formatted have set sector sizes, and software also sets minimum cluster sizes, based on rotational latency of the drive, buffer memory size of the drive, and data pathway speeds in the interface. Different sizes of drive then, will have different basic sector sizes. In the basic format, write of a file to a sector will fill the sector and any leftover data space in the sector is not released to the OS for available storage. You will see this on small text files where for example the OS will report that the files size is 886.75K and the size on disk is 1000k. this is a 886750 byte file stored on a sector of 1.0Mb. In this case, a file just over 1.0Mb in size will then use 2 sectors, and the second sector will be largely unoccupied by useful data. Clusters of sectors are there to allow really large files to be written in an unfragmented fashion, but the clusters are not set in stone and the unused sectors in the cluster can be released to the OS for other storage. In the same way, files which left large amounts of unused space in a smaller drive will now fit into the larger sector size of the big drive more efficiently, giving a different volume report fot the file and disc space used.

When compression occurs, compression software can use the leftover space in the sector to store the beginning of a second file, and so on, to make the most efficient use of space, however overhead is required to keep track of the exact starting point of the appended file space and where the rest of the file is stored as well. Other compression techniques involve using algorithms to identify patterns in the data; files compressed in this way are usually dedicated to the software and algorithm that compressed it and may not be recoverable by another compression software. ( MP3-64, MP3-128, MPEG, JPG, JPEG, etc. )

You will also see messages from time to time when transferring files from HD to CD/DVD or SD memory that tell you there is additional data at the end of the file that will be lost; this is the unused sector space on the HD which often contains repeated segments of the file, or original formatting pattterns, or other file portions, due to defragmentation reorganizing files into contiguous sectors.

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10/29/2013 1:01 PM

Dear Mr. LongintheTooth,

Thank you very much for your reply. Noted more details.

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10/29/2013 3:20 PM

if the initial size was less efficiently used then it might be due fragmentation /!\ but then you should have had a lot of (10-s of thousands of files) to achieve 20% difference (?) that might be OK if your cluster siszes were bigger at .5TB Drive

if your ISP (internet service provider) doesnot scan you web transport for you it's good to run some virus-malware check at the end, beginning (= 2-ce) a week also defragment your system drive (concerns the windows OS) drive as it becomes slow -- 4 that

it is wise** to plan/"attempt to predict" your SYSTEM and DATA space maximum limits and partition the HDD-s - wiki says it** depends on your specific system - i'd always keep the system( + installed programs) on 1 volume and data on the rest of storage space cos B-ing able-2 defragment your SYS-Drive is essential for normal Op.

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10/30/2013 9:08 AM

Dear Mr.ci139

Thank you very much for your advise, and learnt much. Occassionaly I am defragmenting the data also. What should be the periodicity of defragmentation.? You have referred (=2-ce) what does this mean. As already stated, I am not a Computer/Soft Ware Engineer. I will check virus malware also.

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