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Surge Arrester Rating Selection

10/29/2013 2:26 AM

I'd like to know how to select ratings for SA.

Drawing is not so clear.

So I'm adding some more design factors.

- MV SWGR nominal system voltage : 6.9kV, 3P 3W system.

- Unit Transformer is grounded via NGR : 100A, 30sec

Also LA for the primary of Step-up Transformer.

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Re: Surge Arrester rating selection

10/29/2013 4:04 AM

The posted drawing is practically unreadable here.

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10/29/2013 2:32 PM

You need an expert, or at least someone with a cursory knowledge of electricity and local codes, to do this for you.

Lightning arrester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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10/29/2013 9:05 PM

http://bayimg.com/IAbAIAAfK

You can see clear image here!!

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10/29/2013 10:50 PM
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10/30/2013 7:03 AM

That image is practically unreadable as well.

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10/31/2013 8:13 AM

By clicking, you can see original size of drawing.(readable)

The reason why I ask for this is as below;

In the project that I am in, Surge arrester(S.A) for 6.9kV(L-L Voltage) Switchgear was selected as 9kV, 5kA.(PDV-65) for feeder and incomer both.

As far as I know, in 4.0kV(Line-Ground Voltage of 6.9kV L-L Voltage) system, S.A rating of 9kV cannot guarantee surge/overvoltage,

because residual voltage(discharge voltage) Ures is 30kV, which is 7.5 times of 4.0kV.

Here is what I sketched for S.A discharge characteristic.

Of course I know, S.A will discharge from 9kV point, but 9kV is fairly high voltage for the equipment, I guess.

Please advise if this S.A rating selection is correct or not?

(overvoltage protection for between 4.0kV and 30kV area)

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04/11/2024 10:23 AM

Please identify the local standard against which the <...Surge Arrestor...> in question was selected. The rest of it is second-person-check; is there only one person at the facility who can do that? How peculiar.

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10/29/2013 11:56 PM

Dear Mr.posity,

Pl. open the following links one by one and read. I am sure, Definitely you will get you what you are looking for.

In addition to this there is a Han-Book published by IEEE, COMPRISING 1024 pages, the link could not be located, in my system. I will try to get it and post here.

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http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/download-center/books-and-guides/siemens-basics-of-energy/basics-of-surge-protection

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/surge-protective-categories-defined-by-ansi-ieee-c62-41

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/download-center/books-and-guides/siemens-basics-of-energy/basics-of-surge-protection

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/IEEE_Guide.pdf

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/surge-protection-of-electronic-equipment

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10/30/2013 12:13 PM

The LA Rated voltage is: Highest System Voltage x Ground Fault Factor

The ground fault factor depends upon the type of system grounding and on the ratio R0/X1 & X0/X1.

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10/30/2013 11:49 PM

Thank you Mr.electricalexpert65 for your response. You have mentioned " the ratio R0/X1 & X0/X1.

I request you to Pl.explain the ratio R0/X1 & X0/X1.the ratio R0/X1 & X0/X1.

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10/31/2013 10:10 PM

Thank you for your idea sharing.

I think as below;

- Highest System Voltage : peak voltage (√2 x Us /√3 = 5.63kV)

- Ground Fault Factor : According to IEC 60099-5, 1.73 for Impedance Grounding system.

=> LA rated voltage = 5.63kv X 1.73 = 9.75kV ??

Am I correct?

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10/31/2013 10:38 PM

LA Rated Voltage is HSV (rms) x GFF

GFF will be 0.8 for effectively grounded systems and 1.732 for ungrounded systems. For impedance grounded systems, GFF will float between these two values of 0.8 & 1.732, depending upon the ratios R0/X1 & Xo/X1 as mentioned by me earlier.

Now, assuming solid earthing in a 11kV system; the HSV for 11kV is 12kV; GFF is 0.8; thus, LA rated voltage is: 12 x 0.8 = 9.6kV; the nearest standard LA one could get in the market is 9kV. Thus, it is 9kV.

But, the case under study is a Low Resistance grounded 6.9kV System. Here, the LA has to be selected duly considering the R0/X1 & X0/X1 ratios only.

Appendix B of IEC 60071-2 throws more light on this. Suggest to go thro the same.

I think, with this I have answered Mr. Dhayanandan (posting 8) too.

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Re: Surge Arrester Rating Selection

11/02/2013 10:29 AM

THANK YOU Mr.Electrical Expert for yor reply.

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11/04/2013 2:15 AM

Thank you very much for your further explaination, electricalexpert65

May I ask one more question?

In IEC 60099-5, Figure 23b, it is saying that " Three-wire impedance earthed systems. Earth Fault Factor 1,73"

So, I thought Maximum voltage between phase and earth would be 1.73 x Us / √3 = 6.89kV.

Once again, I really appreciate your comment.

Really helped me a lot understanding overvoltage.

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