Is the Bermuda Triangle Real?

Good program on Discovery the other day, said that many strange things happened there due to pilot error in reading the compass only because the compass was affected by solar emissions or something like that! Also the pilots suffered disorientation, the sky and the sea looked the same so the horizon was missing! This doesn´t explain too much I know but it´s best you watch the program!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_triangle does make interesting reading.

I plump for the Methane hydrates idea, it certainly answers a lot of the questions.

If the Bermuda Triangle is really weird (more than its share of missing whatevers), then I concur. The Discover show made a strong case for both killing aeroplane engines and sinking boats. Also, I've seen videos of massive eruptions of methane hydrate beds on fire. That's freakier than any alien abduction or alternate dimension.

I think this quote sums it up nicely:

The marine insurer Lloyd's of London has determined the Triangle to be no more dangerous than any other area of ocean, and does not charge unusual rates for passage through the region. United States Coast Guard records confirm their conclusion. In fact, the number of supposed disappearances is relatively insignificant considering the number of ships and aircraft which pass through on a regular basis.

Lloyd's went bankrupt, didn't it ? That happens always when accountants get the upper hand on engineers.

Barry Manilow had this to say about it

Bermuda Triangle It makes people disappear
Bermuda Triangle Don't go too near
But she Doesn't see my angle
And she thinks I'm being dumb
So Bermuda Triangle
Here we come!

Made him plenty of money as well no doubt

Al

I don't know whats stranger. The disappearances in the triangle, Or Bolton Allen reciting Barry Manilow. (Although secretly I actually know the words to allot of his songs.)

So what you actually say is that the Bermuda Triangle is profitable.

As a Jew, I need to know.

Where the heck did that come from?!

As the plonk reminder that I am, I just follow you from one spot to another.

Coffee anyone?

And I do because I'm paranoid.

Bad morning anyone ?

But you're most welcome here among us Troglodytes. Here. Warm. In the morning cave. No-one knows when the morning beasts will show for breakfast (us, freezing apes), so we cuddle, shivering wait for the sun to come-out full-glory, so we can start our morning-call to gather a few cave's worth, for today's forage.

The Gulf Stream, a powerful under current that runs from Iceland to Brownsville Texas, comes into the Carribean Sea (very deep) and then shoots into the Gulf of Mexico, which is just so-so deep.

This current runs very near the coast of Alabama, Ms. La and Texas. It makes a loop around the big ol' Yucatan (where some say a huge meteor ended the dinosaur's reign) and then it heads back towards Cuba and out the Carribean again.

Anythng that goes down here and doesn't anchor or dredge up enough detritus to hold it firm to the bottom.......can float miles and miles away from the area where it went down.

The weather is often nasty as you have a barrage of cold and warm fronts , along with currents pushing against tides and winds. sort of like travelling through Kansas during tornado season.

You have very deep ledges and sea mounts running up to corral shallows. This makes for upwellings (currents that come from the deep and are richocheted upwards against sheer walls of the deep canyons).

On the other side of reality, there are a lot of experienced seamen of excellent repute, that have personal stories that will keep you up way past your bedtime..........

The trapped methane story does hold some validity. Methane released in sea water will kill the bouyancy affect of a steel boat.

Otherwise............OOOooooooohhhhhhhhh!

bring your gris gris, your brick dust and your voodoo charms.....jsut for good measure.

netmaker

Fantastic effort of a reply. Thank you. So what about Barry Manilow?

Al

netmaker,

Beautiful reply, I like the logic and academics in your reply, but I think there's a lot more to this mystery. Vortex's to nowhere have explanations that we haven't found and being academians or considered superior people we need to explain these things. Tesla, and others came close, but were driven away from presenting understandings the powers-that-be? didn't think we were ready for. There is credence regarding all theories from The Dog Star's portal, to Atlantis existing beneath. Perhaps the disappearances were really tests of Tesla's "cloaking device" that went awry?? It's fun to guess and we will find out!

ROXANE,

THIS IS YOUR ALIEN OVERLORD! NEW DIRECTIVES ARE BEING TRANSMITTED. PLEASE HOLD...

YES, ROXANE, TAKE OFF ALL YOUR CLOTHS, GO TO THE NEAREST MALL AND WAIT FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE MOTHER SHIP. END OF MESSAGE.

YOUR ALIEN OVERLORD OUT.

Dear Roxane,

I am a romantic at heart when it comes to mysteries.

It would suit me very well to learn that the Triangle is mysterious vortex, Nessie is alive and well, Bigfoot has offspring and the critters in Ethiopia 's lake are real dinosaurs.

Here amongst the last of the Vieux Chiens (old dogs) , the cajun sea farers who fished and drove oil field supply boats in the 40's and 50's, stories of the gulf and ocean abound.

Some are just legends carried from one dock to another but others are just spooky enough to be true.

I love a good mystery and the sea has lots and lots of mysteries.

The Triangle may yet surprise us one day with a real verifiable mystery.

In 1973 I was running a commercial boat off shore past the Isles Denierres out of Bayou Dularge. The island is 9 miles offshore and is reputed to be one of the last places where Lafitte the pirate buried his treasure.

It is also the pplace where a hotel was built in the late 1800's and everyone was drowned in a hurricane that washed it away.

needless to say, ghost stories abound about the place............

we were in a fog and I was holding a 175 degree on the compass. We should have run right into the island. Hours past and and i was very concerned . the compass hadn't moved and the fog hadn't lifted. I came to a stop and we drifted until the fog dispersed........

Well, we were deep in the blue waters of the Gulf....way the hell off our course. We were low on fuel and the damn compass still showed 175 degrees..........

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Then the idiot deckhand reached behind the compass case and pulled off a magnetic bottle opener and asked me if i wanted a Barq's root beer!

Keep in touch.

Netmaker

Here in the Uk we've had people drive around the M25 (London orbital road) for a whole day thinking they were getting closer to Scotland....I guess that Bermuda triangle reaches out a loooooong way on some days!

Here in the Uk we've had people drive around the M25 (London orbital road) for a whole day thinking they were getting closer to Scotland

I was told M25 was designed by Moebius

Does that make it a strip joint?

No, but it does explain the long-term chaos around junction 26...

You were driving around the M25 in London and wound up In Beunos Aires, Argentina, halfway around the world? You're a really long way from home. I guess that explains why people can drive around the M25 trying to get to Scotland without getting anywhere: it's a really a portal to anywhere.

As a child, my parents never flew anywhere. Vacations consisted of endless hours of driving at 85 MPH and a lot of reflection on mortality.

If my parents would have won an all expense paid vacation to Hawaii, my father would have found some way to drive there, even if it meant first driving to England to get on the M25.

Lucky he didn't, otherwise all of you might have wound up in Beunos Aires as well (or maybe even worse).

"Look! It's just the Pacific Ocean. It's just like drivin' in snow only slipperier."

Not to mention being much, much, much, much, much, much wetter as well.

Not if he got a running start.

Wait - is this the wormhole between London and Edinburgh?

Well, that's SatNav for you...

That reminds me of the time I was flying a private plane to Europe... Half way there I ran out of fuel so I had to turn around and go back for more.

Vermin,

You just HAVE to be from California.........

One of my fishery clients is out there. They are the ONLY ones who ever asked me to make a sampling trawl for their company with ONE requiremnet:

that it would fit in a 30 gallon trash can while they carried it from the lab to the dock!

Gotta' love that California style and simplicity ...........

netmaker

Presumably you were flying with a tail wind?

The only credible destination is somewhere in Eire.

Please report to the FBI building in Washington DC immediately. A Special Agent F. Mulder wishes to question you on these and other alien conspiracies that you are obviously knowledgeable about.

Glass half empty or glass half full? Stop asking stupid questions and put some more beer in my F#@*!^G glass!!!

I hope that answers you question on Barry

Don't make TOO many mistakes Mr Brain!

Just for you Alan! Barry is alive and well! www.barrymanilow.com I think he must live in the triangle because some strange force has stopped his ageing process! So lets get on down and boogaloo in the Bermuda triangle!

The optimist says it's half full, the pessimist half empty. The engineer says the glass is twice as large as it needs to be.

I am an engineer and it depends on what my goal is as to whether its half full or half empty. If I am in the process of emptying it then its half empty and if I am in the process of filling it then its half full.

Pedantic engineer, granted!

Half full? Half empty? Who care? Gimme another, full glass, NOW!

Yes. The Burmuda Triangle is real. Three points on a map.

Or did you mean about the Alien Civilisation just under the sea utilizing a captured Snombvuais Cloaking Device? All the planes and ships missing is a bit of a giveaway.

Hi, I've been having trouble with my Snombvuais Cloaking Device, I find when I'm out in the rain I get a 'splash shadow'.

Are there any software fixes in the decravination routine which I could try?

Yeah I know exactly what you mean. I had the same trouble a couple of months ago. Try the inserting the Crovation sub-routine between the Deinhuam sub-routine and the Kilosxum sub-routine. That should work as it distorts the space-time matrix just enough to fool casual observers. It will fool anyone on this planet anyway. He he Ho Ho.

Right. I'm now going to have a nice plate of flugurgle-grunt luggly's with a hot steaming cup of hubvacdse.

Here is one story. Here is their perfect triangle. Yeah. A 4 sided triangle. If you are as stupid as they think you are, I have a lot more stuff you'd like to see.

I followed this link but this guy is a little off to state that the four imaginary lines form a perfect triangle. One, it doesn't form a perfect (symetrical or otherwise) anything and two, three sides make a triangle.

Also, the Bermuda Triangle does not include Cuba. Eliminate that point and you have the triangle.

Look It's the Bermuda Pyramid!!!

AH-HA!!! You've hit the nail on the head! Its the mystical effect of pyramid power that is causing things and people to disappear!!

If Chris Elliot was on line we could discuss "Hell's Bucket!"

Anybody want to buy a sock monkey?

Bring it on, my brother!

Sorry: By all means, go ahead, Sir!

Depends upon your definition of real. If you mean, is there a place in the Atlantic Ocean off the Eastern Coast of Florida where there has been a large number of unexplained disappearances of ships and aircraft, then yes, it is real. If you mean, is the Bermuda Triangle the location of the lost civilization of Atlantis, then it depends on a: does Atlantis actually exist (no indisputable archeological proof as yet) and b: just what lost civilization is the Bimini Wall a part of, then possibly (though quite unlikely). If you mean, is it a base for UFOs, or a gateway to a parallel dimension, then it's pure bullshit.

Please note that the Bermuda Triangle is one of only two regions on Earth where True North and Magnetic North are in perfect alignment. The other one is the so-called Devil's Sea, off the coast of Japan, where unexplained disappearances have also been regularly reported. This phenomenom may provide a possible explanation for some, though certainly not all, of the disappearances, as an inexperienced navigator may fail to take this fact into account and end up drifting off-course as a result.

It is a fact that there is a large number of reports of compass malfunctions and other magnetic anomalies in the Bermuda Triangle. The likeliest cause of these problems is a very large magnetic meteorite at the bottom of the ocean there. This may also be the cause of the alignment of True and Magnetic North I mentioned earlier. The oft-made claim by UFO conspiracy theorists that these anomalies are because the Triangle is the gateway to another dimension, or a base for UFO activities, or that there is a still active nuclear reactor in Atlantis, is, as I have mentioned above, pure bullshit. Interesting, amusing bullshit no doubt, but pure bullshit nonetheless.

Hey!!! I bought real estate in Atlantis! Are you telling me I got robed?!

No, wait, that was Atlanta. Sorry, never mind.

Good thing your real estate is in Atlanta, not Atlantis, otherwise, even if Atlantis is real, you would still have been robbed. Unless, of course, you don't mind living in a house under the Atlantic Ocean.

After hurricane Rita's tidal surge washed inland and back out again....... there are about 1500 property owners who now own realestate UNDER water about 1/4 mile out in the Gulf of Mexico.

Coastal erosion........

netmaker

Somehow, I can't help but get the feeling that when those 1500 property owners originally bought their pieces of real estate, they were still on dry land.

Sorry. You probably would have felt less robbed buying in Atlantis, rather than Atlanta. At least the property taxes would have been lower.

Judging by your avatar: no you didn't (get robed), but it's about time you did.

Some scientists claim that all these events (disappearances of ships and aircrafts) are nothing more than similar events that happen in any other place in the world... Maybe the amount of these events is a little more than in other places but it's only a normal statistical variance and it's nothing special to worry about... I don't know if this is true or not... Maybe some other physical phenomena (like magnetic anomalies or release of methane from the sea) are taking place in this area and these phemomena can explain the increased number of the accidents...

No... there is no triangle pattern and hince no Bermuda Triangle.

However, the US and the British Navies has been covering up some top-secret discoveries made shortly after the mysterious loss in 1968 of the nuclear submarine, USS Scorpion. The scientifc facts uncovered at that time reveal how a ship might suddenly be destroyed and how nature might generate all the weird observations reported by sailors for hundreds of years.

These two navies classifed these discoveries as top-secret and turned the science behind them into the most advance undersea weapon system ever developed. This weapon will be in operation in another 5-6 years and will shock the world.

There is a new book coming out in less than a year that will reveal these secrets and explain the Bermuda Triangle and other ocean weirdness.

Stupid question time. If the US and Royal Navies have created a top secret, terrifyingly powerful super-weapon, then how did the book's author find out about it? And more importantly, why doesn't the CIA or MI5 try to assassinate him for revealing it to the world?

Dead men tell no tales, and sell no books. And I can't imagine M15, and maybe not even the CIA testing it out on mostly English and American civilian vessels. Imagine the noise the drug runners would make.

RichH

Wow, how many posts about the Bermuda Triangle?

I'm going to post questins about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny

Don't forget the tooth fairy!

My money's on Chris 'Crusher' Cringle.

Hey Guest,

What kind of weapon and what is the name of the book?

netmaker

A very good friend's father is a well respected and published physicist in China. I met with him a few months ago to share theories. His was on the Bermuda Triangle. He had worked out a theory which involved fusion and electromagnetic energy. He had also shown how the bermuda triangle was directly related to another similar area, I believe the dragon triangle? Anyway, he was just about finished with the book and told me he would be publishing it soon and would send me a copy. It was quite interesting and although I didn't dissect his work, nor even go into great detail, it did seem quite plausable. Whenever I get it, I will post a note or link to it. As far as it being true, he not only believes it is true, he has spent much time attempting to prove it is real and how it works.

I regularly fly on small charter flights in the region of the Bermuda Triangle from Florida to Bahamas, Puerto Rico, and other parts of the Caribbean, in planes with unpressurized cockpits, flying at 9000-10000ft, and it can be a pretty turbulent affair, most the time it is just like someone as grabbed hold of your seat and is throwing it around, you experience the yaw and everything, sometimes the plane will just drop what seems to be a hundred feet straight down. I have known the pilots fly above the 12'500ft ceiling in these planes to avoid the turbulence. Some times when coming into land you will just see a column of cloud sitting on the sea and spreading across the runway, rising up into the air several hundred feet. The pilot will come into land and hit the cloud an will have no visibility, pull up and bank out of the cloud fly around and approach the runway from the other end and land and stop just in front of the cloud.

There is a lot of heat at the equator that forces air/wind north and south and with the numerous interruptions of volcanic islands forming small mountains that thrust the air upwards, this causes a lot of turbulent air patterns in areas like the Bermuda triangle, that are such a problem for light aircraft. On planes that fly above 15000ft you rarely experience the same problems.

Everything you said is true, however, did you see the Discovery Channel show about the Triangle? It's been known for some time that there are huge reserves off the East coast of natural gas. It's bound up with water ice and is under the sea floor. They call it anhydrous methane, the ice that burns. Seems that in the Triangle area, they have sudden leaks from time-to-time.

The show was curious about what a rising column of methane could do to a conventional aeroplane engine, so they set up an experiment where a plane engine was run and a small amount of methane was added to the fuel-air mixture. One percent methane was enough to kill the engine. They also went on to point out that the size of methane eruptions that occur in the Triangle are large enough to deliver 1% at 10,000 feet. It drops off sharply as you increase altitude.

Has your engine ever stopped suddenly, and have you had to restart your engine in a dive?

No, but a friend of mine took of from the Bahamas flying to Miami, fell asleep and woke up in the bahamas 3hrs later. 1 of the engines failed and they we under halfway so the plane had to turn back, my friend new nothing of it until he woke and was looking at Exhuma Airport.

Hot ice is fun.

The South Africans have a triangle - they just haven't called it a triangle. I don't think any planes have been bagged though.

Of course it's real. It is a defined georaphical triangular area with one point touching the island of Bermuda.

What you should be asking is if this area has any true characteristics that adversely affect both aircraft and boat travel that cannot be found elsewhere on the planet.

WAIT. Wikipedia has an entry by the USGS. This is the Official United States Geological Survey's version of the Bermuda Triangle (Copyrighted) .

Or Bermuda Funny Shaped Thingy. ( as I now like to call it).

traditional (yellow); Winer (red); Spencer (black); Berlitz (blue).

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Ahhh! A complex set of geometric shapes. THATS how the aliens do it

Have you ever read H.P. Lovecraft's "The Dreams in the Witch-house" before? In it, a young mathematician discovers that witches use the angular intersections of several complex geometric shapes to gain access to other planets and even other dimensions. Maybe Lovecraft was right; maybe the Bermuda "Whatever" is really such an angular intersection leading to other worlds after all. Makes you wonder if he's also right about Cthulhu, Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth, Nyarlathotep, Shub-Niggurath & company as well.

Let me guess... all the good guys die in the end, right?

Well, both right and wrong. Both the good guy (the mathematician) and the bad guy (the witch) died in the end. As for how vermins use the same angles to get into things to mess things up, I suppose that going by your name, you would know that better than all of us here.

Thought so. Lovecraft was never very kind to his protagonists. I can think of only one short story where the good guy won the day.

So far I know, he's got 3 stories where the good guy wins: The Dunwich Horror, where Dr. Henry Armitage banishes the Son of Yog-Sothoth, The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath, where Randolph Carter outwits Nyarlathotep, and The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, where Dr. Marinus Willett destroys the resurrected warlock Joseph Curwen. The last was made into an excellent film called The Resurrected.

Wow! You really know your Lovecraft!!!

The only one I remember where the good guy wins is where they find the evil body of the bad guy in the basement of a house. The good guy finally digs deep enough to expose a part of its body, then dumps in 25 gallons of sulfuric acid on it.

Okay, that makes it 4 where the good guy wins. I forgot about that one. That story would be The Shunned House, where the protagonist destroys a vampire by dissolving it in acid.

Well sort of a vampire. More of a malevolent spirit left to fester in the cellar after the town's people did him in and buried him. It sort of sucked the life out of everything around. Not to mention it melted the protagonist's uncle.

Right. In the story, the protagonist and his uncle, not to mention the townspeople before them, found themselves feeling sleepy and suffering a "lost time" effect in and around the house due to the creature's attack: just like some reports of weird incidents in the Bermuda Triangle. And UFO abduction reports for that matter. You think that maybe a creature like that is responsible for some of these weird incidents?

Another possibility: in the story "The Temple", a sea god drives the crew of a German U-boat mad before causing them all to disappear without a trace. Perhaps this same god caused all the disappearances?

And of course, on an unrelated note, as is always the case with threads about weird stuff, the discussions all inevitably turn completely nonsensical at some point or other. Anybody has any idea why?

'as is always the case with threads about weird stuff, the discussions all inevitably turn completely nonsensical at some point or other. Anybody has any idea why?'

Forty Two........

But seriuosly...I think most of the people who follow these debates have very active minds and just love to follow any discusion to it's limits..no matter how far, wierd or plain avacado they go.

Well said. And send my regards to Marvin and Zaphod as well.

I really couldn't be bothered to read this , but it does appear on topic. Half way down (where I got bored scrolling , this has a multitude of triangles. It is also alarmingly close to dear old Blighty. OMG , the Japanese have one too ! I think the flat-earthers were wrong. aaaaahhhhh....hhh..h...

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"Once it was human! Even as you and I."

Please! Speak for yourself!!!

While sulking over your ingratitude elsewhere , I found you this. You can have it here to save me time. Ha-ha.

Are these just comments and interesting articles you are forwarding to us all for discussion and debate, or do you really believe all this New Age stuff? There's nothing wrong in having such beliefs, but you should be aware that most become don't give credence to them and would ridicule those who do. More importantly, you shouldn't be so obsessed with it until it overtakes you completely like it did to many new age cults.

I pride myself on keeping an open mind on such weird but scientifically plausible stuff such as cryptozoology or alien intelligences, but I don't give them credence without solid scientific proof. There's no good reason why the sasquatch should not exist. After all, people once thought the kraken was just a myth, until a giant squid was found in Newfoundland. However, without hard scientific evidence, people should not consider it to be fact. The same goes for intelligent extraterrestrial life.

I myself, and I'm very sure, most other people as well, don't take those who expouse ludicrous conspiracy theories and blatantly crackpot notions as perpetual motion seriously. What I'm saying is, for those who believe in such things, by all means, bring up weird topics for discussion if you wish, but please don't try to ram nonsense such as how "the powers that be" try to suppress the discoveries of geniuses like Nikolai Tesla or the Illuminati down our throats. Unless you're prepared to be ridiculed, that is.

Your post is the most incoherent I have ever read. Can you state what you think I believe in. Please give reference to where I make statements that lead to your conclusions. You give the appearance of being from a different planet. I would like to be proven wrong by a sensible explanation.

That is some overstatement. You've showed signs of having read some pretty excruciating posts in the past.

Fyz (most recently noticed gibbering on planet Earth)

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When people ask for light to be shed on a topic, do they realize that white light is just about the most incoherent input available?

How on earth did you land here fyz ?

Reading **** is not the same as believing it.

I was about to sharpen my pencil for the dark lord's return and no suitable cat is around. Sometimes CR4 enters the twilight zone.

Have you had your portion of my quote yet ?

Do you mean Earth or this thread?

You obviously went back to the source. It's a long time since I last read the CT - and even then I'm too lazy, so I read them in transliteration...

Fyz

The double meaning was just my little joke !

Have a shortcut. My excuse is that it is culture.

So are bacteria breeding in a Petri dish.

Fyz

You are pretty good at this Fyz !

In line with the general level and the major occupancy of the site: practice makes purrfect (personally, I go more for the dog-ged approach).

(I fear the only way to go any lower is to resort to dog-gerel, which brings us nicely?? back to your earlier link)

Fyz

Quasi-dogmatic.

If you're going to play ruff, ruff

And there I am being totally reasonable - it's just the rest of you ....

Fyz

Just throw a stick, I'll bite.

How do you like the taste of Vogon?