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Coco Diesel vs Petro-Diesel?

11/07/2013 9:55 PM

Most of Rural Philippines is planted to Coconuts. But the disparity in Copra Valuation (Farm Price @ P15/kg vs CopraMill Price @ 25/kg) due to high logistics cost, encourages Copra Milling at source. Given that, would Copra Milling (at source) make Coco Crude Oil, as 100% CocoDiesel, a sensible alternative to 100% PetroDiesel or even to 10%Coco+90%Petro (otherwise known as "Bio-Diesel") - environmentally & economically? In Rural Philippines, 100% PetroDiesel presently sells @ P48/ltr. If so, what modifications would need to be done on PetroDiesel-designed Vehicular Engines - if need be?

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11/07/2013 10:07 PM

None.

Your questions are all.............................unconventional.

And unanswerable by someone not there and not familiar with your particular motives.

What are your motives?

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11/07/2013 11:41 PM

You could collect the coconut milk first with coconut milk machine et parler and make BIO FUEL from the rest with catalyst in a few minutes. You will have crude oil and you can sell the whole chain from bituminous compound to ether and everything between. Rural becomes less rural. Catalyst also transforms leaves, no waste. New hobby of Mr. Gates too.

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11/07/2013 11:55 PM

Want to make renewable fuels at warp-speed - and possibly at an unwarped price - try these 10 fairly amazing paths to making fuels from biomass faster than you can say "subsidy-free".

Hey kids! You really can make free crude oil. Amaze your friends. Make Dad real happy. Mom can help you with the recipe. It really works.

Ingredients:

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1 quart salt water.

1 5lb bag of dirt and rock.

Large mixing bowl and 10″ round baking pan.

Instructions:

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2. Pour into baking pan.

3. Bake at 200 degrees and 30 atmospheres of pressure for 60 million years.

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11/08/2013 2:06 AM
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11/08/2013 5:46 AM

As I read between the lines, he has lots of nuts. It is also duly noted.

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11/08/2013 6:49 AM
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11/08/2013 11:16 PM

Why not just set up to burn the coconut oil directly in the diesel engines? Not sure that it is necessary to make bio-diesel...lots of people in North America burn both waste vegetable oil and waste motor oil in diesel engines without conversion to bio-diesel.

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11/09/2013 12:15 AM

You do not need to make bio crude per se. Only the yield will be a lot lower. The coconut spice and shell have still more in it. A lot more than what you get out of the oil. The coconut oil can be separated before too of course. The rests are however voluminous transports. You can also make coconut mats, separate the meat, and only transform shell parts, while another part can be combusted to generate heat for the time process. Many possibilities, plenty of dreams.

A feasibility study is here in place to get a cost/profit calculation. It is all about volumes.

And an environment impact evaluation.

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11/11/2013 5:17 PM

Straight vegetable oil is good down to about 50F, cost for filtering reclaimed about .25/gal. Biodiesel I make with methanol is good down to about 25F and costs me about $1.45/gal. At lower temps I use pump diesel/bd mix and averages $2.00/gal. I have dual tanks on a '95 F250 and keep the second tank filled with pump diesel, as sometimes a temp drop causes a problem with mix (jelling) and I just switch over until I can correct it. I wish I had a large field of some oil producing plant.

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11/11/2013 5:35 PM

Gerald,

What part of the world are you located at?

Lots of stuff available in North America to keep your oil supply hot so it doesn't gel. Mostly they rely on the motor coolant for heat transfer. So you start and stop on diesel and run on oil once things are warmed up.

Saves all the chemistry and cost of making biodiesel.

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11/13/2013 3:32 PM

Jon, I'm working on it...limited budget, dialysis and projects limit my time.gp

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11/13/2013 9:54 AM

As others have stated, your local temperature determines if it is even necessary to convert to biodiesel. Just use the coconut oil, and have good smelling exhaust. If you wanted even more fuel - there is always pysolysis/gasification of the crop residues not immediately salable on the whirled (world) market. Good luck.

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