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Hot Flue Gas Cooling

11/19/2013 12:58 AM

Dear friends pls help me to find out calculation to reduce the temperature of flue gas *(800 degree centigrate) from a lead rotary furnace through ducting of size dia 750mm to the bag filter ( filter will withstand 70 to 80 degree temperature only). ( q= 30,000 cmh). how can we reduce the temperature by giving long length ducts. ( duct velocity 20 m/s).

Is there any calculation to find out the required timing / flue gas travelling distance ( ie duct length) to reduce the temperature as per our requirement. pls help me.

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Re: Hot flue gas cooling

11/19/2013 2:34 AM

It would be good to recover that heat.

  • Balanced flue domestic boilers use the outgoing exhaust gases to warm-up the incoming air, thereby keeping the heat within the boiler. This saves energy.

Think about cold streams at the facility that require heating and the possibility of using this 800degC stream as the heat source rather than some other method.

The calculation is done on the principle of Conservation of Energy. The heat available is the difference in enthalpies of the flue gas at the two temperatures multiplied by the flowrate.

Sizing a suitable recuperator is best done by specialists once the heat available is known. Finding them is a task for the internet and the telephone.

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11/19/2013 3:08 AM

I'd walk a mile for a Camel®. And it might need to be even farther.

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Re: Hot Flue Gas Cooling

11/19/2013 7:42 AM

800º C?

With that kind of waste heat, you should be making it into electricity...removing heat in the process.

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11/19/2013 1:29 PM

you need to rephrase your question or you'll continue to get answers on co-generation. are you asking about filtering?

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11/23/2013 7:05 AM

Dear sir,

Thanks for your reply. this is lead smelter plant. In rotary furnace lead impure heated to particular temperature and melted and produce pure lead ingots. During this process flue gas ( with dust ) with 800 deg temp will come out. we have to filter this dust, lead fumes before leaving it to atmosphere. So hot fumes allowed to settling chamber and here due to low velocity lot of heavy particles will settle down. then this flue gas with dust passed to cyclone , here heavy particles will settle down. before passing this fume with fine dust particles to filter bag filter we have to reduce the temperature below 80 degree to protect the filter bags. for that only we are increasing the flue gas travelling distance by increasing the duct length. pls help me to find out any calculation for this heat transfer to atmosphere.

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11/20/2013 5:30 AM

The Flue gas of Rotary has high solid content and recovery of heat is difficult due to solid deposition on heat exchanger surface. Standard practice is to have Serpentine/Inverted U/Z type duct coolers fitted above a large concrete settling chamber. The loss of heat to atmosphere from surface of the coolers is to be designed for summer conditions. The settlements also takes away any sparking particles/hot flints,so that bag filter does not catch fire. Post the cooler, you need to feed to a Cyclone and then bag filter leading to a fan to exhaust out of a 30m stack. Still Bag filter needs a dilution damper to open automatically if temperature exceeds a set value.

Since the solids are corrosive, ms pieces of ducts needs periodic change. SS ducts would be expensive . Use of water spray to cool is another possibility, but you need to operate Bag filter above 100 degree C, otherwise the bags will get choked by moisture. Also you have a effluent to treat in this case ,unless you can evaporate the moisture out. You can also dry wet Slurry of battery breakers in batches putting inside settling chambers.

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11/23/2013 7:07 AM

Dear sir,

Thanks a lot for your valuable reply. shall i have your mail is to discuss further.please.

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11/20/2013 8:59 AM

The only methods to cool anything is to put a heat exchanger and have the product pass through it.

Having said that the exchanger needs to be sized in your case for flue gas solids deposits and for the thermal dissipation as well as for the low pressure of the flue gases.

Now then to perform this you can use a co generation system which will reuse the heat and turn it into electricity or you can use a set of cooling towers and / or cooling exchangers.

To develop this system you need to do the following:

1.- HIRE a professional who can analyze the best options and design the system.

2.- USE a professional contractor to install it.

3.- Since you have given us no real process data to review the best answers are guesses, which make us think you are either doing homework or have no technical knowledge to even asses issues like this.

Furthermore, there are filtering system for quite high temperatures.

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11/20/2013 11:20 AM

Your post raises several questions that you would need to provide answers for. First, why is your furnace exhaust temperature so high? Are you sintering metal or calcining? This is much to high for drying. Second, why is your baghouse limited to 80 degrees (assuming Centigrade)? As noted by vargaalex there are filtering media that can operate up to 260 deg C (800 C for ceramic filters of special design), which would reduce your ducting requirements. As noted in several of the other posts, recovery of this heat would help minimize the costs, however, if this is not feasible, then to go to the heart of your question, for conductive/radiant cooling of this flue gas you need to know your temperatures, inside the ducting and outside. Calculate your heat loss across the duct metal using table heat transfer coefficients. Determine calorie/BTU heat loss required and divide by heat loss through duct wall (assuming no insulation) per square foot (sq. m). This will give you total duct wall area required and this can be converted to duct length. Issues to consider include protection since duct temperature will be extremely high, condensation issues based on moisture content in flue gas, and static loss of ducting system and its effect on conveying fan at the baghouse. Keep in mind gas viscosity is constantly changing which will affect frictional wall loss.

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Re: Hot Flue Gas Cooling

11/22/2013 4:16 AM

Dear Mr. Senthil 55,

The Heat Recovery involves only one Principle.

HEAT LOSS by MEDIUM TO BE COOLED = HEAT GAINED BY THE COOLING MEDIUM. The Equation is

W x (T in - T out) x Sp.Heat = U x A x LMTD

Where W = Weight of Flue Gas, you have given 30,000 CFM, which works out to 8.33 M^3/Sec. multiplied by Density will give the Weight of Flue Gas - we can take Density as 1.35 Kg./M^3 of Gas, T in and T out of gas as 800 and 100, and Sp. Heat as 0.7,

U = Over-All Heat Transfer Co.Eff. which will be 25 K.Cal/M^2.Deg.C and LMTD is the Log Mean Temp. of the system in the Heat Exchahnger.

In your case, Flue gas from 800 Deg.C is to be cooled to say 100 Deg.C When the gas is to be cooled, the outlet temp of the heated medium, be it water or air has to be less than, the Gas Outlet Temp. atleast 20 Deg.C, otherwise we need enormous Surface for Heat Transfer. So practically if you use air, as the cooling medium, the Temp. Limit will be 30 to 80 Deg.C and based on this LMTD can be calculated, and the Area Required can be calculated. This area to be multiplied by 1.2 for correction to Fouling Factor, etc.

You have not indicated the type of fuel used, if Hydrogen content is more in the fuel, then the DEW POINT problem will arise and you out let Temp. og the Flue Gas will have to be maintained high, and blindly we cannot decide to 100 Deg.C.

Use a Cyclone Type Dust Collector and control the particles entering the Bag Filter.

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11/23/2013 9:14 AM

Dear sir thanks for your reply. flue gas is lead fumes. volume is 30,000 m3/hr. temp at furnace outlet is 800 degree and it must be below 100 degree before reaching bag filter. Mild steel duct diameter is 750 mm. This fume as to travel some distance to loss heat. as per your advice wt = 30,000 m3/hr / 36,000 x 1.35 kg/m2. t in-800, tout- 100, sp heat = 0.75. u will be 25 k.cal/m2 . lmtd=? ( shall we take it 40 degree ?). how can we find out the total area required. please help me.

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Re: Hot Flue Gas Cooling

11/22/2013 4:22 AM

Dear Mr. Senthil55,

Pl. refer my Reply Posting No.8 above.

There is an error in the Weight of the Flue Gas arrived, by me.. You have given 30,000 CFM per Minute, and it should be multiplied by 60 to arrive for per hour basis.

I have mistaken as 30,000 CFM per Hour, and devided by 3600 to get PerSecond basis.

Hence this conversion to be done carefully.

I regret for the Error and inconvenience caused.

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11/22/2013 4:26 AM

Senthill,

Are you going to join in the conversation of your own creation?

If not, then just take filter bags off and be done with it.

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Re: Hot Flue Gas Cooling

11/28/2013 3:06 AM

Dear Senthil,

If this only consult regarding reducing temperature of flue gas,

i would suggest to pass those flue gases through recupreator of the f/c if available or install new one. which can absorb heat of those gases and provide preheated air to the f/c burner. which can increase combustion efficiency and reduce fuel consumption.

here i assume burners are designed for hot air combustion.

as per i think you can reduce temperature of flue gases by 50-60% in this stage.

further to reduce temperature to 80deg. you have 2 options,

1. you better lengthen duct length up to bag filter.

2. Add an additional dialution damper in that duct.

dialution damper is just a round piece of duct. approx. double the OD of flue gas duct.

which is open from one side and other side is connected to bag filter duct.

here bag house sucks fresh air from atmosphere along with flue gases.

i hope it can work. i have already installed such systems.

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