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UPS Input Current

12/08/2013 3:08 PM

what if an online ups load current is unbalanced ? then can er say logically that input currents are all equal since there is a battery dc busbar in the system?

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Re: UPS input current

12/08/2013 3:19 PM

No.

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12/08/2013 3:23 PM

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12/08/2013 3:34 PM

Who's er...?

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12/08/2013 3:49 PM

er is the sayer of all things without logic, or basis.

He's human, after all.

Remember the old saying "to er is human"?

Er, that's all, folks!

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12/09/2013 5:48 AM

Lots of Folks say "er" between words..... Particularly when trying to think fast when trying to tell lies!!

But it ruins the point of a sentence when your spelling is bad!!!

The word you actually wanted was "err".......slight but important difference!

Have a "er" great "er" day "er", friend!!

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12/09/2013 10:42 AM

OR if they were one key OFF to the right they might be typing WE and end up with ER.

Good application for a keyboard positioning robot with accuracy of >1mm.

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12/08/2013 11:52 PM

Yes.

Three phase rectifier energises the DC bus.

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12/10/2013 2:41 PM

yes or no? Have not anybody looked at current values of an online ups? they are equal or not?

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12/10/2013 3:06 PM

Who cares?

Talk to the supplier!

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12/10/2013 3:13 PM

You might contact tech or customer support at APC or TRIPP-LITE they will be happy to answer your questions in detail. BE PREPARED to supply info on the model of the UPS and where it is being used, not just like what you have given all of us in your OP.

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12/10/2013 3:23 PM

thank you for your kind answers but I wonder if there are anyone among you who cares what happens when a load is unbalanced at the supply side. I am waiting :)

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12/10/2013 3:31 PM

WE would care more if it was OUR problem to solve, but since it is YOUR problem to solve, why do you not care to use our suggestions to find out for yourself ?

You have provided precious little detail on the application and test results.

Therefore we cannot provide better responses.

I would rather tell someone I found the information myself than to say " those guys over there " told me so.

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12/10/2013 3:45 PM

funny, since I have no such a problem as it must be solved as you just described. I am just wondering it. I had thought there are many masters here who can give me a proper answer. I am asking it clearly anyhow. say I have an online ups, are there nobody who may have noticed when the output becomes unbalanced? Am I weird or is it you who is weird saying "why do not you find it yourself". Do not mind friend. I have just examined through internet , if I could find I would not resort to your precious wisedom...

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12/10/2013 3:50 PM

the actual phrase was " use our suggestions to find out for yourself ".

if you are going to criticize at least get that right.

now you are just arguing for the sake of argument. get a life

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12/10/2013 3:56 PM

You are right. Sorry for reading your posts rapidly. Thank you..

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12/10/2013 4:12 PM

I somehow doubt that we would be so honoured....... it has to start with an honourable man......

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12/10/2013 3:44 PM

The loads on 3 phase mains are seldom perfectly balanced, especially when single phase loads are also being used.....it simply does not matter...

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12/10/2013 3:46 PM

so what is your answer?

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12/10/2013 4:40 PM

If you don't understand the answer, its simply because your English is not good enough, the answer is there in that post!!! Clearly written.

I have to have a short rant here and now, apologies to all CR4 members, except one...!

Also you have still not supplied enough infos to allow anyone to help you accurately, if they so wished.....

You have been asked now for full infos at least 3 times as far as I remember.....maybe more than that!!! WHERE ARE THEY?

We all seem to have forgotten to bring our Crystal Balls.....

Furthermore, you need to learn better manners, better English, lose some of your arrogance and at least learn some electrics!!! Then we can probably help further....

Take the courses in any order you wish, come back when you have learned all three properly.....try for losing ALL the arrogance, that will REALLY help you further in your life, not just here......

My father loved Turkey and its people, he learnt the language enough to translate in court in the UK, my family too like Turkey, and of all the people we met there (and in the UK) on several visits, none were arrogant.....really, really nice folk....

Only the ones I met in Germany many years ago were difficult to get on to with. They all came from the eastern part.....almost Kurds you might say......

I will watch with interest to see if my words have a positive effect....

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12/10/2013 5:05 PM

funny again! My english is not enough you say. I do not think so. I tried to be really kind here so as to admit that there was a nice suggestion which was meant to guide me properly so I apologised. But people like you and the other german guy who speaks about honour aimlessly loves acting as if they are peerless ones. Positive effect? Really funny, just saying funny should be enough.

I am a turk, I never turned out to be rude and arrogant. I feel respect for your Dad but it is just that much .

I have not given a detail as you said. But if you had read what I posted you would grasp the gist of this topic. I just wondered it in common sense. I tried to get your answers in general.(people who are so veteran always needs detailed questions as it always happens to be here for good is not it chap? )

I am sure you are a master compared to me, Since some western guys like you think you are gift from Heaven! I would like to see your level of electrical engineering indeed. I think you could understand from a single post that I am an arrogant also ignorant guy. Or from my old posts perhaps. Then I would like to see your vast knowledge capacity to make myself embarrased automatically. Surely I would not refrain from doing it as you might guess.

Anyway, perhaps some wonder why I condescend to respond to your temptation. I just did so because you have a dad who likes turks, and just so much my wise friend.

By the way I dont wait for positive effects on you of my explanations. As I said you are peerless in contrary to me my friend

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12/11/2013 9:09 AM

I would like to give you a friendly info, your English translation (software?) is not saying what you want to probably say to us all.

Its far nicer than you mean, but do please stay like that, I like it far better....as I am sure many others here do....

"Peerless" is in fact a fine/good/nice compliment for example.....I would not mind being called "Peerless", for example.....

I looked it up in the online Oxford English Dictionary and found this as a definition:-

adjective

unequalled; unrivalled

:a peerless cartoonist

It is generally used as a "positive" adjective....

You can see it here:-

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/peerless?q=peerless

I hope this helps you to improve your English further....

Have a great day. aleykümselâm

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12/11/2013 2:35 PM

this is much more funny chap, I think your english might be better than me, (I just said my english is not bad, not perfect like yours), but I guess again you are not a very smart guy so as not to differentiate between a seriously meant word and an ironically used one. Yes you are peerless since I guess again, you are the unique guy who could not understand the mocking directed to your excellency(I hope you will give the philological explanation of this one later.) on the part of me . Anyway, I think you are going on being funny chap, I enjoy your funny expressions dearly. ...

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12/13/2013 8:23 AM

You are still arrogant.

Other members here have contacted me privately, complaining about you and agreeing with me.

They have also made complaints to CR4 directly, so you may be hearing CR4 Admin shortly.

By the way, your attempt at German (in a personal email to me) is even worse than your English, leave well alone.....learn English first!!! Its a far easier language than German....

German is one of the more difficult European languages to learn, no software translator that I have seen manages it at all well.....the results are simply wrong and sometimes funny as well.....

I found a web page for language difficulty for English speakers here:-

http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty

Which appears to also believe that German is simply more difficult....maybe you can find a Turkish related website that will give you more accurate infos.

STOP USING SOFTWARE TO TRANSLATE!!! If that is what you are doing....

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12/13/2013 9:37 AM

lol, funny indeeeed..

(If CR4 folks are what you described in the latest post, I would not be yearning for posting here again. Why? I do not remember blaming someone on being the only arrogant here, on the contrary "you" are arrogant (at least you seem so ), but not well reinforced with a splendid logic, but I am not offended due to this , just trying to understand the logic behind the brains ..)

I am not german, I tried since I thought you could understand at least what I say in German.. By the way I think my sentence is not false when I look at it again. If you mean I have forgetten the " s " after "das", I would "yearn" over your black humour! By the way again, I hope everybody who are here is smart enough to understand that I do not use translation services , It is still "weird " that you insist that I should use your native language, to let you understand that you are wrong:)

By the way again twice, I liked you, I hope I will benefit from your "peerless" personality all my life as I remember your funny posts.

When I read it through all the posts going on between us, I still can not see your original responses.

Anyway I am arrogant huh.Hey guys! I recommend that you all look at back . I just laugh at this funny conversation...

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12/13/2013 10:16 AM

Actually, if I remember correctly, English is the required language for CR4!!! Other languages not allowed....so a requisite will be that you can converse in the language....so don't complain....

Nobody minds the odd word or so in a foreign language, but that is it.

English (for better or for worse!) is THE World language of today.

I did not make it so....

So if you want to get on with your life outside of your home country, today you MUST have good English for any proper job.

In Germany, to get ANYWHERE (in Germany itself!) you MUST have good English as a second language.

Sadly for them, but anyone with second rate English, or worse, or someone who is both arrogant as well as not understanding it reasonably well, will be very quickly not liked, to put it mildly.

You are a classic example.....not the first and certainly not the last I suspect here on CR4. But eventually your sort fades away and is never heard of again. It usually takes a month or two....and a change of name!

Do please notice that no one wants to answer your question....partly because you were too arrogant to even supply proper details, in spite of being asked several times from different members.....

Do you ever think "I wonder why nobody will help me?"

Also, no more private emails from you to me, if you have something that you must get off your chest, do it openly.....like an honourable man.

I am now leaving this blog, because I cannot stand certain types.......or their manners.

BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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12/13/2013 12:53 PM

unny:)

Hey dude, I think your english is not problem but your way of thinking, I think you have problems with notions. I asked just a general question and did not get angry with anyone since they havent replied as I wanted it to be so. But I tried to learn if the answer is "it depends " or not. So I got sure that answer is "it depends". I am not arrogant because I have not given details. I think you are arrogant because you might think such a thing when I asked a general question. I am literally innocent. but you are not , and you will not be anytime.

Anyway , I think you got a wrong idea when I sent you a private email. I wrote just "hast du es nicht gesehen dass Ich habe gewollt dass er entshuldige mich", namely "have not you seen (above ) that I wished that he forgives me " I had nothing to get off my chest when I sent you private message, I just tried to warn you of being a rude guy so as to speak of being honourable in a nonrelevant matter. I did not tell a rude thing to you. I sent it to help you behave honourably since you have a problem of personality, I guess you are a problematic man in your daily life,

I enjoy your funny posts , but I would not have a companionship with a guy who have problems with him/herself. I think any guy who is not able to differentiate between a seriously meant "peerless" with an ironical allusion is not worth speaking on english proficiency, Also , I have not claimed that English is not important, I really wonder which part of your body do you extract these funny comments from.(As I said before, I wrote it in german since you make me cede the hope of making you understand what I said in english , Do you see I said it twice since your english is "peerless") Oh, As I said chap, You are not worth speaking to...

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12/13/2013 5:38 PM

Any one who can communicate in more than one language has an advantage over others. Any one who can write in more than one language is doubly so.

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12/11/2013 8:51 AM

Sadly, you are right, some of the Turkish people here in Germany are (sadly) often difficult to get on with, are rude & arrogant and do not wish to learn any "foreign" languages.....many are here 20 years or more and cannot speak one word of German for example...but all know how to milk the social system of money and sit in their social accommodation....

But we also have good friends in the westernized (western and middle Turkey) that we visit from time to time....I agree with you, really fine nice people generally.

The land is also historically very interesting, well worth a holiday or two.....

Marking as "Off Topic" as it has little to do with the question, but a lot to do with character.....

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12/10/2013 10:31 PM

I already gave you my answer to your exact original question .

It was yes.

The three phase rectifier at the source end will load each phase uniformly unless malcommissioned or faulty. (although there are design instances where it may never be balanced regardless of load balance......but let's keep it basic for now)

Unbalanced loading of the 3 phase inverter will not be 'reflected' through the DC bus. (assuming a single DC bus and common battery.....but let's keep it basic for now)

If the static switch or other bypass mechanism is closed then what is at the load will appear at the source, but then there's no more U in this UPS.

You asked, in one of your follow up comments, why nobody has dashed off to check for themselves......Seriously dude?

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12/11/2013 9:11 AM

GA

Good answer and funny too!!

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12/10/2013 4:17 PM

what do u mean with honor? You know really what does it mean? Or just speak idly?

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12/11/2013 8:41 AM

Seriously.

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