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Hydraulic Accumulator Pressure

12/19/2013 2:04 PM

In our factory we have closed hydraulic circuit that producing 1700 psig pressure. Accumulator (bladder type-10 gallon) is also attached to system for emergency shut down. I filled nitrogen in it about 600 psig as mentioned in the manual. After sometime, when the system is shut off I checked the pressure in accumulator and the pressure rise up to 1700 psig. Anyone can tell me the possible reason??

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12/19/2013 3:35 PM

Maybe it had an emergency shutdown....

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12/20/2013 2:47 AM

Dear Mr. SolarEagle,

What I understand from the original posting by Mr.hunain, that the bladder is with in the accumulator surrounded by 1700 psi hydraulic fluid - in which the nitrogen gas at 600 psi will act as a buffer to take care of variations.

Your sketch shows accumulator independent of working pressure. I have also worked with 2500 - 3000 psig Hydraulic System in the sugar mill, where the pre charge pressure is 2300 psi. This is to be clarified by Mr.hunain, the original poster.

In my opinion, 1700 psi working pressure and bladder pressure of 600 psi apppears to have a mismatch. However, leakage appears to be confirmed.

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12/21/2013 12:23 AM

In boosting water pumps for domestic supply operated by pressure switch (4 to 6 bar)

the nitrogen pressure in pressure vessel was 2.5bar.

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12/19/2013 4:26 PM

Equalization.

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12/19/2013 11:27 PM

I think somebody isn't liking us Oh well

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12/20/2013 2:57 PM

Stick with me. You'll get used to it over time.

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12/20/2013 3:35 PM

I think it's kinda funny that somebody is childish enough to go through and rate our post as OT. Is that suppose to hurt our feelings, like have our hands slapped? I got a good laugh from it! Yep, I'm hanging in there with you

Happy Holidays Lyn and everyone else, including the children too!

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12/20/2013 3:45 PM

You completely misdiagnosed the OP's situation, so of course your posts are OT, along with several others in this thread.

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12/19/2013 4:50 PM

Your accumulator bladder is leaking the pre-charge back into the hyd. system and as Lyn said, the system is equalizing

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12/19/2013 8:20 PM

are you the best person for this job?

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12/19/2013 11:05 PM

Everything is holding tightly without leakage. If this is undesirable, you could set up a solenoid valve to equalize the system to a lower pressure whenever the pump shuts off.

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12/20/2013 2:52 AM

Dear Mr.hunain,

Pl. refer my post no.7 - as my observation to Mr.Solar Eagle's view,

and pl. confirm the exact working detail, if possible with a sketch.

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12/20/2013 4:05 AM

Even though your bladder/Nitrogen pressure was put at 600 PSI, when the pump is running, it will equalise to 1700 PSI, same as the Hydraulic circuit.

When shut down, there is most probably a non return valve or a shut off valve that will keep the pressure in the system (hence the emergency shut down topic). This pressure will be appearing at the bladder, both sides of the membrane.

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12/20/2013 7:09 AM

The 600 psig pre-charge inflates the bladder so that if fills the whole volume of the accumulator. When you start the hydraulic power pack, oil at 1700 psig flows into the accumulator outside the bladder through a non-return valve. Because the oil is at a higher pressure than the air within the bladder, the bladder deflates compressing the fixed volume of air until it reaches 1700psig. Now the outside and inside of the bladder are at the same balanced pressure and both the oil and the air are blocked in place by their respective valves. On emergency shut-down a second oil valve piped in parallel to the non-return valve opens and allows oil to flow out of the accumulator shutting off critical valves on your plant. The pressure gauge on the air side shows that the accumulator is fully charged and the emergency shut-down system is functioning correctly. Always check this gauge when the power pack has been shut off for about a hour. If the pressure is still 1700 psig the non-return valve is not leaking. All hydraulic oil valves left unused for a long period suffer from a condition called "silting" that makes there operation unreliable. Test the operation of the non-return valve and it's bypass periodically to check that the system will function correctly when it is required in a real emergency.

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12/20/2013 7:28 AM

I'm thinking you nailed it

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12/20/2013 10:48 AM

thanks jhhassociates, i m really satisfied with your opinion. i will soon try to post the circuit drawing if possible.

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12/22/2013 1:48 PM

Hi

This answer is the correct one.

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12/23/2013 10:04 AM

It is working as designed.

The reason for charging the accumulator at 600 PSIG while the system is down is because the hydraulic high pressure side is at very low pressure or zero PSIG.

After the accumulator is charged and the system is started, the applied hydraulic pressure generated by the pump is transferred into/onto the accumulator bladder and therefore the N2 pressure is equalized at 1700PSIG.

When the hydraulic system stops or generated hydraulic pressure is decreased for any reason the accumulator will maintain pressure on the system through the bladder at 1700 PSIG for a period of time based on the accumulator size and the hydraulic system design.

If the system hydraulic pressure is not bled off (reduced) then the N2 will remain at whatever pressure was generated by the pump.

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01/20/2021 6:09 AM

...provided there is no leak.

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