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Wireless transmitting brain wave?

06/09/2007 5:14 AM

I saw the article about wireless transmitting power via magnetic field yesterday. Is there any technology available to magnify human's brain wave then wireless transmitting to others?

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06/09/2007 5:24 AM

Don't think so, but there is plenty of technology to screw up our brain waves...overhead power lines, mobile phones and their transmission masts.

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06/09/2007 6:26 PM

An enhanced RFID tag should be able to transmit some brain pulses to a receiver.

Would it be possible to transmit clear thoughts to another person via RF-tag? Not likely.

Would it be possible to transmit emotions to another person via RF-tag? Why not?

Electronic body language !!

The "I dont like you" signal could be sent to the . . .

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06/09/2007 7:13 PM

Is there any technology available to magnify humans brain waves

Human brain waves are magnified since the early '50s.

...then wireless transmitting to others?

Yes his technology exists being called telemetry: a series of electrodes placed on a rubber strap (or a sort of helmet) capture brain waves, which are sent via cables to a device that transmits these waves. Brain waves are captured by a receptor someone else has (usually a Neurologist), and processed in a computer; in order to make an Electroencephalogram or a Brain Mapping. These devices can have from 8 up to 64 channels.

While this happens, the Neurologists (sitting in some other room) usually drinks coffee and looks at a PC screen where all kind of weird scribbling appears. Depending on what he sees patient gets a specific type of medication... or not.

As many Neurologists are quite weird people, I believe some of these waves get into their brains making them act the way they do!

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06/10/2007 4:09 AM

Yes I have created a device that beams to any coed of your choice "The guy with the stupid helmet with all the wires is really sexy!!!"

The going price is $9,999.95. I can't keep them in stock!

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06/10/2007 10:31 AM

That's pennies for such a marvelous toy- whrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, pop, jiggle and stomp.

Reserve me a dozen please.

Thanks for the complement. I really dig all these wires hanging around me.

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06/10/2007 10:38 AM

What if all of us were walking around the street radioing our brainwaves?

This would really be great: BUZZZ... RRRR.. PUPK...PING...FZZZZ... Imagine: one single universal language!

Is there any FCC rule for this?

My only concern is: wouldn't we more prone to be hit by a lightning? If yes, do you know a suitable lightning rod to carry around? How do we ground it while walking?

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06/10/2007 9:54 PM

Great. Do you have a model that would enable me to convince my boss to give me a 5000% pay increment?

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06/10/2007 11:37 PM

Yes, but then he fires you for inappropriate attire at work.

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06/10/2007 1:47 PM

To get brain waves and transmit them vie RF is ithink no problem. I am more concerned about the way to make them understood by the reciever brain. Although the brain is according to research specialized i have the feeling that very brain has its own internal "manguage". even if the general form is the same. And this can be the problem.

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06/10/2007 4:03 PM

"To get brain waves and transmit them vie RF is ithink no problem. I am more concerned about the way to make them understood by the receiver brain."

Dear nick name,

Brain waves are merely the manifestation of the electrical activity of (only) the brain cortex, being generated by neurones. There are different types of brainwaves (alpha, beta, delta, theta). Some are generated in specific areas of the brain, other are activity related.

There is no language at all in brain waves: this is nothing more than the surface manifestation of a "working brain" : it's like the wind generated by a passing train or the magnetic field that can be measured on a cable transmitting energy... and thats all!

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06/10/2007 5:19 PM

Hi r&ddoc,

How about this:

Parapsychologists such as Dean Radin, president of the Parapsychological Association, argues that the statistical significance and consistency of results shown by a meta-analysis of numerous studies provides evidence for telepathy that is almost impossible to account for using any other means. [bolding mine]

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06/10/2007 6:18 PM

Parapsychologists such as...

Sorry John, this is a field in which I do not believe.

Lots of renowned organizations conducted studies about this issue proving that telepathy is a pseudo-science leaded by charlatans

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06/10/2007 8:33 PM

Actually I don't believe in it either. Just thought I'd pass it on for consideration.

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06/10/2007 9:19 PM

Just thought I'd pass it on for consideration

Or were you stirring the pot????

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06/11/2007 4:13 AM

I am not as a professional as you are but I think that informations have to be transmitted between braincells and the different waves have patterns related to global behaviour but do have othe informations which i put under the word of language since this word describes the best the transmission of informations.

Thsi comunication is the problem i consider as a not professional being the most difficult part ot the inforamtion interpretation by an other brain. Of cpurse i may be wrong since i am not a specialist but as far as i know the waves do correspond to a "state" and not to an information.

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06/11/2007 8:42 AM

Dear nick name, you probably are As professional as I am (or even more)... but in another field of science, thats all!

In regard to your statement: "which i put under the word of language since this word describes the best the transmission of informations" I am afraid to say it is wrong; because a language is a very complex mean of communication.

Neurons interact (more or less) the following way:

Neuron "A" sends 1 microvolt to Neuron "B". This can happen because "A" has been stimulated by some other neuron (from the same or another circuit/s) or because metabolism of "A" produced a change in it, leading it to discharge a current or some juice that stimulates "B" cell.

"Juices" are called neurotransmitters (ie: Dopamine, acetilcholine, etc)

Two possible alternatives: Nothing happens (0) ... or a change is elicited (1): just as in computers.

When a change in cell "B" occurs, it may feedback cell "A", or send a stimulus to cell "X".

Cell "X" may belong to the same circuit located in the same layer of the brain´s cortex (or in another layer, another lobe, another hemisphere; etc.) it also may belong to a different circuit in the same localization...or not.

Depending on the amplitude and duration of the original stimulus, reply can be either chemical or electric (or both)

Polarizations and re-polarization in million of cells at a given time produce a brain wave.

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06/11/2007 9:56 AM

Dear Doc,

Did I say the simplest way to communicate? No what I meant is that when 2 or more people use a common language they communicate i.e. they transmit between them informations. Of course we can also speak about pheromones or other ways.

When they interact, neurons, make an exchange of informations they transmit usually by contiguity and not conductivity an information from the axon to the dendrites of following neuron or of following neurons. This exchange is not electrical as we are used to think but by use of molecular transmitters as you very well mentioned one of them being the acetilcholin. I would NOT compare the way a brain works with a computer since in the brain there is (according to papers i read) no simple digital on/off data transmission. It seems that the interaction is related to a more complex quasi analog change of sensitivity level either in increase or decrease.

Is it any interpretation yet between a brain wave and the notion which corresponds to it? As far as I know till now only "interfaces" to sensors have been build. Now those waves have a content of informations which i called internal language. If one would want to communicate this content to an other brain there is first the wave pick-up but this is not so difficult due to the progresses in electronics the problem will still be valid how the receiver will understand the wave which com from the emitter.

This is in fact what i wanted to set as a major difficulty.

I very much appreciate such contradictory exchanges since it is a way to learn every time a bit or even a lot more.

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06/11/2007 10:55 AM

"what I meant is that when 2 or more people use a common language they communicate i.e. they transmit between them informations"

There are many levels of communication. Some are basic (instinctive / atavic): fear can be seen in the face of you opponent because his pupils get dilated as a reaction to stress.

More complex non verbal ways of communication (gests) are a cultural phenomenon: In some Asian countries YES and NO is said moving the head the opposite way we do it in western cultures.

Next stage is the use of a spoken (verbalized) language, which implies the use of a lot of "brain resources" (You must hear, process what you have heard, understand it, elaborate a reply, coordinate the movements of a lot of muscles in your speech apparatus and face to finally be able to give the simplest possible reply)

"neurons make an exchange of informations..usually by contiguity and not conductivity.."

Reply to this is yes and no:many neurons exchange info with other that are close to them (contiguity). many other exchange info with neurons that are located very far away (conductivity). Mixed impulses (electrical / chemical) can be used in both instances.

"I would NOT compare the way a brain works with a computer since in the brain there is (according to papers i read) no simple digital on/off data transmission."

This is also true... but I was trying to keep it as simple as possible

Certain groups of neurons process info in a digital fashion, other do it in an analog way. Another difference is that they also can "learn" while processing info, and change a current response pattern for a completely (or slightly) different one

Is it any interpretation yet between a brain wave and the notion which corresponds to it?

Back to basics: brain waves indicate the "machine is working", not what it does. There is no notion behind a brain wave!

Now those waves have a content of informations which i called internal language.

Each creature on earth that has a brain (no matter how evolved or primitive) has it´s own internal language. Should we be able to "capture and retrieve it" nobody would be able to understand it, as it is as complex as an ADN pattern or a fingerprint.

Neurobiology is veeeeery complex!

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06/11/2007 12:46 PM

I agree about the different levels and many nonverbal that is the reason i mentioned pheromones. I do not agree that only high level communication requires a processing. All informations are processed more or less but there is no reason to accept an information without processing. The conductivity you mention is in general the centrifugal axon function but i have read some where that it is not a conductivity as we are accustomed in electrical systems but a kind of successive jumps along the swan layers. The "learning" is a specificity related to processing and to the optimisation of paths as a function of repetitively.

In the last § you agree with what i wrote about the waves and the deeper level of brain work. So that i am very glad we had this exchange generated in fact by the use of different words for same meanings... problem of language.

I appreciate and hope we shall meet again on such interesting subjects.

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Brain wave of different types can be detected outside the head that is how they can do noninvasive EEG.

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