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What is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

01/24/2014 2:16 AM

I'm designing pressure vessel using by ASME SEC VIII, DIV-1. when i design manhole, the manhole flange thick is 43mm, i feel this thickness is much higher as well as much expensively for 3.5 kg/cm2 of design pressure. i want to reduce cost in this and let me know the minimum thickness for the same. can anyone suggest me to move forward?

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Re: what is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

01/24/2014 7:37 AM

The information given is inadequate. We need to know operating conditions in full to qualify our response.

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Re: What is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

01/24/2014 8:28 AM
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Re: What is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

01/24/2014 11:47 AM

Really, you're going to try and save money by reducing the flange thickness of a manhole cover on a pressure vessel. Safety standards came about not from load design analysis, they came from forensic accident analysis. Follow the design standard.

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01/24/2014 1:04 PM

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Re: What is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

01/24/2014 1:11 PM

Does design pressure equal the 3.5 safety factor?

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Re: What is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

01/24/2014 2:27 PM

If you think there's an error, check your calculations. (Never hurts to check anyway.)

Point of reference - a 24" 150# blind flange is 1.875" (48mm) thick. You didn't state lots of things, design temperature, material, size, etc, etc etc. Many pressure vessels just use a blind flange.

(Anybody want to hear why we still call them manholes instead of using the proposed gender-neutral term?)

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Re: What is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

01/24/2014 5:32 PM

43 mm thickness can be thick or thin.

You provide us with no size of manhole. The force is 3.5 kg/mm2 times the surface it applies to. Also the thickness of your cover plate is of the same importance. I suggest you move forward with providing all the info. I have seen dwarf sized manholes up to elephant sized manholes.

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Re: What is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

01/25/2014 11:31 AM

banu, you have told us nothing...

A flange thickness of

If you feel that the blind on the manway will be too expensive, and the blind is to be constructed from an expensive material, consider a thin sheet of that material attached to a carbon steel ( less expensive) blind.

If your material of construction IS carbon steel, and the client wants a large luxurious 24 inch manway, consider a smaller diameter (20"). Which should be fine for most purposes

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01/26/2014 12:14 AM

What formula did you use to design the manhole, and what diameter is it?

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01/26/2014 12:57 PM

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Why bother to use ASME VIII if you are not going to believe it? Just do your own design and go far away whilst someone else pressurises it!!!!!

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01/27/2014 6:10 AM

Oh, come on. Everyone knows that first cost takes priority over lifetime safety. What does it matter if the vessel tears itself apart and kills someone a few times over?...

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Re: What is the Minimum Flange Thickness?

08/19/2024 11:09 AM

The maximum operating temperature must form part of the deliberations, surely?

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