The Facts Are In... The Models Were Wrong

Why worry about food crops? Didn't any of his handlers tell him crops grow better when it's warmer?

More crops, more crop growth, more co2 removed from the atmosphere. Oh wait, that's not what he wants us to hear.

Talk about something that is specifically written to induce panic.

Wow. You can smell his desperation.

Lyn--Look at the ships stuck in Arctic Ice--It was the earliest in recorded History that the Northwest passage froze. Hundreds of ships were frozen into ice in northern China. The Antarctic Ice has risen at an unprecedented rate. But the ice on the other edge of the continent has been melting. Please, when talking about these factors, please give us : TIME, PLACE, FORM, and EVENT---Which part of the Arctic is melting? When was it melting? Which part is frozen? Same goes for the Antarctic.. You give us no time line. Al Gore didn't either...

If memory serves, the world is currently -.5% less ice than whatever normal is supposed to be.

Using that same normal, the Arctic is -5.5%, the Antarctic is +25.5%, and my freezer ice bucket is full.

How can you say that???!!!!

Back when things were normal, kids could frolic on the glaciers in central park.

http://www.landforms.eu/Central%20Park/Glacial%20striation.htm

Is human activity changing atmospheric composition?

Is human activity changing planetary albedo?

A yes to either of these questions means we are impacting the temperature of the biosphere. Its a no brainer.

The only question that remains is to the scale of human influence.

It also seems reasonable to infer that any change in the rate of photosynthesis would not only impact CO2 concentrations but also O2 concentrations.

It also seems reasonable to infer that any change in the rate of photosynthesis would not only impact CO2 concentrations but also O2 concentrations.

Yes, it does seem reasonable. But that does not make it so.

A yes to either of these questions means we are impacting the temperature of the biosphere. Its a no brainer.

What?

That's like saying that if we change the chemical composition of water, and make koolaid, (without doing anything else but dumping in the koolaid packet), we will change the temperature of the water.

What would the story be if we were here, and global temps were 10 - 14 degrees colder?

Sure there's more CO2 than if humans weren't here, but we have no clue what that means?

Ironically, the same hippies that say the earth is going to end from CO2, recommend a whopping 1300 ppm for grow rooms.

http://www.hydrofarm.com/resources/articles/co2_enrichment.php

"That's like saying that if we change the chemical composition of water, and make koolaid, (without doing anything else but dumping in the koolaid packet), we will change the temperature of the water."

Indeed we would be changing the thermodynamic and optical properties of the water by adding koolaid. Significantly. If the introduction of the Koolaid is solely as a suspension then the immediate change in temperature would simply be a function of the temperature and specific heat of the Koolaid mix. However; if once the mixture is exposed to a solar flux the Koolaid would in most likely hood effect both the rate of change in temperature due to the exposure of the solar flux as well as the equilibrium temperature.

"Sure there's more CO2 than if humans weren't here, but we have no clue what that means?" -

It's true; I don't have a clue as to that means - but the climate scientists say it changes atmospheric opacity to IR radiation. And that is the issue.

I'm just not ready to drink the Koolaid yet; I'm sure I'll get there eventually, providing I expose myself to enough of the B.S.

I said there's more CO2 due to humans, but honestly, I don't even know if that's true.

I was just sitting here imagining the unchallenged vegetative growth on a planet with no humans, along with the the dying off of the vegetation and drying that comes with natural seasons and droughts.

...and then I thought about the size and intensity of lightning sparked fires that would just spread and burn until they went out on their own, and I think there's a possibility that earth would see some amazing micro-variations, of both temperature and CO2 levels.