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3mm LEDs in Yellow Over 10,000 mcds

03/08/2014 11:37 PM

Several times I've ordered leds in yellow that are said to be over 10,000 mcds in yellow, in a 3mm size. I need this particular size and shape for the project I am designing. I cannot use the new smd devices here, and 5mm leds are out of the question as space inside the unit I am building is constrained. After being burned about six times on Ebay believing the sellers on these 3mm leds, I contacted Digi Key Industries, and Mouser Electronics- both of them tell me they do not as of yet exist in 3mm size. "We have them in red, green, white...But no yellow at that candlepower" So I put the question to the experts: Is there a viable option in 3mm through-hole type of led I might use in place of yellow, or something I might try to dye, or paint a white led, to work for my project?

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03/09/2014 12:14 AM

Any dye or other visible light filter you apply to a white LED will just reduce your light output. A quick check of 3mm yellow LED tells me that Multicomp makes a yellow 5cd @ 20mA DC. Depending on your application you might be able to pulse this to a higher luminosity.

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03/09/2014 1:25 AM

You've left out part of the equation....viewing angle....The desired amount of light might be achieved with a wider viewing angle...

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03/09/2014 8:53 AM

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03/09/2014 9:08 AM

It depends on your application, and how you interpret the mcds of the LEDs.

Most manufacturer use the term mcds to mean the 'peak' luminance in millicandelas, which usually occurs along the LEDs' central axis. But some LEDs emit over a wide lobe, some over a narrow lobe, so two LEDs might have the same mcd rating, yet put out a total luminance, integrated over the emission hemisphere, that is quite different. So the question is - Do you need bright LEDs emitting along a narrow viewing cone or over a wide viewing cone?

If you wanted to use the 'glop top' white LEDs - the most common type of white LEDs, you might be able to get the high luminance you want, if you want it emitted over a wide viewing cone. This type of white LEDs uses a blue LED ship to cause a yellow phosphor to fluoresce, and the resulting output is a mix of the blue and yellow light which yields white. You could use a yellow filter to remove the blue and yield a bright, broad band yellow light source. Some of these LEDs are very bright. Take a look at the websites for Arrow Electronics or Future Electronics. Both of these companies are distributors for high power LEDs and both offer design guidelines assistance from their sales engineers.

Also, take a look at the websites for Cree, Osram and Lumileds. These are the manufacturers of the leading edge high-power LEDs. They would be the companies most likely to have the yellow LEDs you need. Kingbrite and Nichia are other possibilities. Here's one from Nichia:

http://www.led1.de/shop/lng/en/standard-leds/led-3mm-ultra-bright/nichia-led-3mm-yellow-amber-11800mcd-nspa310s.html

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03/09/2014 11:06 AM

good points. as usual the limited information about intended usage is "a project"

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03/10/2014 9:14 AM

Mouser and Digi-key have them in red and green, see if they've got them in bi-color, if so, buy a few for tests, turn both color LEDs at once and voila !

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03/10/2014 12:00 PM

When I was buying LED's my supplier was named Stanley and they had a super quality product. I know times have changed from the late 80's but see if they are still in business, I think they were out of Japan or that is where the LED's were manufactured.

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03/10/2014 6:02 PM

The 80's?

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03/10/2014 6:16 PM

Yeh the 80's dude-man- I was too busy manufacturing truck accessories to get involved in the times also had a miserable missus and kids. We were making lights for the running boards that I manufactured and the Stanley Hi Super Bright is what they were called. I do not know anything of the Luminums or MCDS but they were bright however not any where as bright as the items available today. Also at that time they could not produce a clear LED since they could not produce the full colour spectrum, and blue was not available. Red, Amber, Green were the main colours in available technology. We had fun and made some money.

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03/11/2014 4:16 PM

I use super brights regularly because the end user needs to see them in full sunlight.

We need red, green and yellow.

We are instead using red, green and white.

If you find yellow, let me know.

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03/11/2014 4:32 PM

Yellow and or amber were very common when I was purchasing. Google Stanley LED you should find a catalogue somewhere I found the name in the LED search just out of interest. Lots of yellow on vehicles, traffic lights these days.

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03/12/2014 12:55 AM

Yes, This is exactly right. And for the same reason perhaps that I am trying to find those same colors in a high MCD output, for large scale model railway signaling purposes. And space inside what I am building is constrained so that 5mm leds won't fit. (unless I really wanted to press the envelope of "scale" beyond that which would be credible- as most model railroaders are "rivet-counters" when it comes to scale and proportion) and the way my signal units are designed, smd's will not work, as the unit requires a through-hole type led. One poster has brought up the viewing angle as a factor-up until this project, I hadn't given that a lot of thought. But I would assume that a greater viewing angle with maximum output would give me what I am looking for, as these are centered behind a prismatic lens. Creating the daytime brilliance effect. Thanks to everyone for their ideas. I will look into this. Mike in Fresno, Ca.

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