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Hydrostatics

03/19/2014 4:29 AM

Water is discharged from dam into artificial channel . The channel is 2meter width and depth is 4meter . water is flowing at 1m/sec . The channel is 1000meter length . If water wheel is installed in the channel . How much power can water wheel can generate.If the water wheel blade width and length is equal to width and depth of channel. and how many water wheel can be placed along the channel length of 1000meter. Any missing data can be assumed

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03/19/2014 5:19 AM

Is there kids around that dam? Just asking because if you put the dam wheels to close together they might get caught in between!

How much overflow do you guarantee?

Why did you not ask us to calculate the height of the dam. Was that not part of your work?

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03/19/2014 5:28 AM

This sounds like a silly oversimplifed artificial school book type problem set by someone who has ignored most of the variables and has probably never seen a waterwheel.

Which is fine... but in those situations the solution is to build a quick prototype or scale model and test it. Bad maths is worse than no maths, which is why the silly UK push for teaching better maths in schools is doomed... what is needed is to teach better understanding and privide the mathematical tools to apply to the problem.

Simplifed problems are fine if there is some discussion about the assumptions made and why...

Maths is a tool...
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03/19/2014 10:49 AM

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03/19/2014 5:39 AM

Actually... maybe it's a clever question designed to make you think.
Here are some questions to help you think.
1. What is the driving force for water flow?

2. How far does the water drop over the 1000meter?

3. How much power is generated in that 1000meter drop?

4. How far does it drop in 500 meter?

5. How much power is generated in each 500 meter drop?

6. How may wheel can you physically fit along that length of channel? Is this at all relevant?

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03/19/2014 9:42 AM

Q - How much power can water wheel can generate.

A - As much as it can.

Q - How many water wheel can be placed along the channel length of 1000meter.

A - Many

Any missing data can be assumed

All data was assumed.

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03/19/2014 11:14 AM

The loss of head at each wheel multiplied by the volumetric flowrate at each wheel represents the maximum amount of power obtainable at each wheel. However, no energy transfer process is 100% efficient so expect rather less than the maximum.

Bear in mind that, as more and more water wheels are encountered in this hypothetical situation, the head drops to the point where it is useless.

How the depth is maintained at 4 meters is open to speculation, as is the friction loss to the water as it flows in this channel.

There are numerous studies on waterwheels and a Wikipedia search will reveal links to practical information.

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03/19/2014 1:04 PM

"Any missing data can be assumed"

Assume the channel is empty, no work will be done.

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03/19/2014 4:48 PM

I'm even questioning the title.

Should this have been "Hydrodynamics" instead.

There is no mention of static water anywhere in the request.

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03/20/2014 3:21 AM

That's why the question should have been how high is the dam!

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03/20/2014 3:58 AM

Not very high if the exit velocity is only 1 m/s.

Kinetic energy Ek = mv2/2; power = Ek/t; all in compatible units.

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03/20/2014 11:58 AM

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03/20/2014 5:25 PM

If the wheel depth and width is the same as the width and depth of the channel the wheal will not turn. It is jammed on the sides and bottom of the channel. I suggest you reduce the width and depth of the wheel in the channel, have a clearance of 300mm each side and on the bottom and then the wheel will turn. The wheel, based on your assumptions, will be approximately 16m high. And, how much of your wheel is in the water, 25%, 33%?

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03/21/2014 2:58 AM

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05/15/2014 11:48 PM

All of them water wheels that fit the channel can be installed.

The last one will not generate power!

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