NASA Doomsday Prophesy

All I want/need is catastrophic coverage. The rest I can and will pay for out of my pocket.

The Amish community actually does this, The community will work out an agreement with the local hospital. And when they go in for a procedure or anything, they are given a very good rate. And the Amish when they leave the hospital, they settle up with the hospital with costs can be a few hundred dollars to 1tens of thousands of dollars........ all settled with cash.

They are basically self insured. No filling out forms to the insurance companies, and waiting for a response. Its quite efficient.

It's also illegal now.

Maybe, ........... there have been lawsuit brought up that when as far as the federal supreme court that sided with the amish..... just due on the grounds of separation of church and state.

Go Amish!

Engineers and scientists do tend to be doom mongers - a lot of engineering is about looking for everything that can go wrong and planning around it.

We see things a little differently...

I see objectivity as key to science and engineering, not doom mongering; and NASA has no business in "social" engineering.

I don't see the two as incompatible. Anyway the point is that the things engineers do kill people -of the two schools the pessimists try to predict failure and design to cope with disaster, the optimists learn the same thing by the growing pile of bodies. (sorry being facetious)

I think it's just the the term "doom/fear mongering" that I don't like.

Using computer models and fabricated evidence, to scare people into compliance, has no place in science or engineering....or government.

Cant disagree with that either. Anyway thinking about it I said it totally wrong anyway. The engineer-scientist needs a healthy mixture of both (optimism and pessimism) and they definitely need a heavy dose of optimism otherwise they will never try anything new.

I worked for the US Navy during Y2K and it was pretty much decided that it wouldn't be world-ending. We had lots of experience with clocks running out of time.

We had one computer system that was supposed to have been replaced several times over. The project always got pushed asided as dollars became scarce during each budget.

Anyway, the clock function was set by the programmers who had limited programming resources (4k micromemory). It usually ran for about 2 or three years when the duty tech would find that the clock had reset itself to 1972...again. The operations crew would be flailing their arms and we would be like yeah, yeah, hold your horses. We would manually reset the clock function and reload the system every time it belched.

The solution was to reprogram the system to only use double-digit years.

The system also required manual synchronization of the internal clock oscillator with WWV timing signals using an oscope.

We had that system for nearly 15 years running that way.

I worked at the company that had the owners nephew in charge of Y2K compliance......

regular idiot.......... he walked around making sure everyone knew how an importance job he had....... btw, he was 28 years old........

I picture him flailing his arms, like a bird.......he did that a lot, but that could have been when they canceled 'Oprah' .......

anyways, all he actually did was make a few phone calls to the company that handled our IT.

Apparently you CAN make this stuff up... NASA apparently did, but I question why NASA is wasting money on crap like this.

What date has been fixed for this to happen? I imagine the Earth will still be here after doomsday - Gaia and all that!

Until then, if I was in charge, I would collect in all the wealth, resources and food etc, and re-distribute it in equal shares.

For those wondering what I would do when my share ran out - well that's easy! - being in charge - I would collect it all in and share it out again.

Estimates of how long I stay in charge would be welcome.

You'd probably what any good dictator would...approaching the long line of the needy : one for you, one for me; one for you, one for me; one for you, one for me.

Or, you could toss a coin: "Heads I win, tails you lose!"

Hello Hilton Re 47.

I am not a dictator. I'm just in charge. Things are shared equally between all.

My delay in replying is because I have been counting my money to work out how much each person will get. Already I am reconsidering my tactics. I will only share my money out to those who have less then me.

But not for the moment. I will delay doing this until those richer than me start to give me some of theirs. I will then have a little more to hand down. I will probably ask them for something in return for good measure.

But as I am one of the Masses, when the going gets tough, probably the Elite will confiscate my pension savings and give me a little of that back (in return for something). At the moment they are just borrowing all of it at 0.5%.

Not very long. I once heard the statement that " we are 2 meals away from a riot".

NASA canteen ?

must be the political and budgeting part of NASA that saying this.

Share the resources,....... and having this come from NASA......

Who determined this ^{like I should ask}

People vying for limited resources such as for science research, what kind of pay back, when other are doing with less.

Maybe I'm missing something, but when I clicked on Kramarat's link all I got was the article about the NASA study. Where's the link to the study itself?

Apparently it hasn't been published yet, but it's all based on this new theory, along with computer models.

http://psysc613.wikispaces.com/Dynamic+Systems+Theory

The study's author has ties to James Hansen, so maybe they are running the same wonderful models that are predicting the end of the world through global warming, but with different sets of data.

I'll let this stand on it's own. I'm still looking for the actual study.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/16/1285144/-NASA-Study-suggests-Progressive-Policies-may-stave-off-Civilizational-Collapse#

I found the report:

http://www.sesync.org/sites/default/files/resources/motesharrei-rivas-kalnay.pdf

Edit: My brain hurts after just browsing it.

Long story, short...elites, (rich people), are input as predators, and resources are prey.

Words can't express how horrible this is.

Not only is the entire thing, politically motivated trash, but not ONE of their models include the impact of government dependence and the welfare state, uncontrolled immigration, TARP, QE, crony capitalism, entrenched politicians, pork spending, unbridled national debt....

EVERYTHING is the fault of the 1 percent.

I feel sick.

I wanna know who authorized this grant so we can string their arse up from the nearest lamppost.

I'm not convinced that this was actually NASA funded, but I suppose it could be. If so, it's another sad chapter for our country. It was written by an undergrad in 2012, and is just now being published.

How's this for a theory?

If you look at the Daily Kos link, you'll find that the low-information socialists are jumping for joy, because real live rocket scientists have given their stamp of approval to lib/prog political policy.

It's like throwing $100 bills into traffic, and watching people run after them, thinking they've hit the jackpot, and not seeing the semi truck that is bearing down on them.

I don't think it's a coincidence, that as we approach the mid-terms, wealth inequality will be the focus of the democrat socialist party.

They desperately need a carrot to tie to the end of the stick, and throughout history, it's always been the same recycled message of "looking out for the worker" or the "common man" or the "little guy".

Scientific evidence that the 1% will consume everything in sight, fits the bill perfectly. There's just one problem.....I've met a few of the 1%, and besides having big houses, they consume about the same amount of food and water as anyone else. They are not a threat to our empire.

Only emperors have the power to bring down empires; it's part of the reason that the constitution is so adamant about not allowing the accumulation of power that makes it possible to destroy our nation.

They too sought to prevent another repeat of history, and I trust them a lot more than a young boy and his NASA funded study...a study that assumes that rich people are wolves and commoners are rabbits.

Good thing I am only a seventeen-percenter!!!

Wandering back to the topic of a doomsday prophesy from NASA, several of their directives from on high have been fundamentally changed in the past few years. I perceive another directive from he who pays the salaries to author a report that backs his views.

Spent several minutes trying to learn more about inhabit.com and who is funding that business - pretty well covered up by the web. Richard Scott seems to run the business side of this news and save the planet forum. His background stems from collecting grants and subsidies to install solar collection systems, then resell the power back to the suppliers. A good thing, at face value, but who really comes out ahead when the mandated rebates and price paid for that power drops (as it has over the last few years) and the estimated ROI for the equipment extends beyond the useful life of the installation.

There's an agenda behind all actions. I attempt to determine the motivation behind the agenda and the benefits. Questioning simply means I want to form my own opinion, not follow the lemmings.

i know nothing about the author of this article, which I find completly harmless, if not meaningless, except as an attempt at a little sociopolitical conjecture. However, using the logic that CD has put on the stage, since I know nothing about you, and can't really find anything out, I could assume that you have been paid to express your opinion. That tends to decrease my respect for it. I didn't even have to discuss what you said, I just implied that you were paid to say it.

My opinion (my own, I'm presently unemployed and close to 60, having spent most of my work life in the computer chip research and development field) is based on how the core directive of NASA has historically been R&D - not political. Over the past few years, they have been directed toward unique directives that been contrary to R&D. NASA Outreach is a recent example of redirecting rocket scientists to focus on humanitarian goals.To me, that seems a bit odd.

It's not just NASA. DHS, IRS, FEMA, HUD, EPA....you might as well just say that every government agency has been redirected from the peoples' work, to doing the political agenda work of the progressive movement.

My point exactly, Kramarat - there is too much money being wasted on change expressly for the control of thought.

think of the hundreds of thousands,perhaps millions employed in these various agencies all contributing their,government backed, paychecks to the economy...much like the bail outs of the banks,the auto companies,the start up alternative energy companies etc etc...Without this spinning of money everything would come to a grinding halt and the resultant depression would make the dirty 1930's seem downright pleasant..

i guess as the dream of money continues to be the pillar of our current civilization its probably better not to meddle too too much in its circulation..

just sayin..:)

Yes, the government takes money from the economy that may have been used to hire people for tangible jobs that would create a longer lasting stronger and economy, and reinjects it. Where it only temporary creates a temporary spike in the economy.

Well, we need government, and we need government employees.

However, I think the biggest single threat to our "empire", is the leadership within government. They are behind everything that's wrong, and have been for a long time.

We've got a mind bending combination of stupidity, greed, corruption, inefficiency, too much power...

It goes far beyond party politics, and one thing the study is right about, (even though it is incorrect in it's context), is that the "commoners", which is almost all of us, will ultimately be crushed.

The best way to deal with wealth inequality, is to make it as easy as possible for anyone to go out and make money. That includes reducing the size of government, getting rid of this ridiculous debt, so we can lower taxes, reducing or eliminating stupid regulations, ramping up production and ridding ourselves of the senseless war on CO2.

There are lots of ways.

What if we told everyone on welfare, that they would be tax exempt for 5 years after getting a job?

They aren't paying taxes anyway, but we could potentially eliminate millions from the roles...all they need is some incentive to go work.

We could do the same for anyone that starts a new business; tax free for 2 years. Don't even worry about filing. Just go get yourself set up and make money, and you can transition over to paying taxes on the 3rd year.

I don't know...just a few thoughts.

It makes me sick to see this study imply that all rich people are evil monsters. The ones that are, are politically connected and not earning their money.

the issue is not whether someone is rich or not rich. The issue revolves around the regulatory environment that enhances the ability of some corporations and people to unfairly benefit from thier activities. In this way, it is solely laid at the feet or the regulators (Congress) who have succesfully implemented this strategy of releasing responsibility for ensuring that workers and capatalists partner to prosper. Deregulation of the financial sector (wall street) and energy (coal and nuclear) and military (the industrial complex associated) has allowed a completly unrelistic division of profits to flow to a tiny group of people. (the 1%) Many conservatives are blind to this phenomena, instead blaming government spending. The proof is in the standard of living progress in the last 30 years, which is nil. Deny it at your own peril, as the benifits of conservative deregulation movement is crux of the problem.

I have to disagree. We obviously have to have laws and bust crooks.

But rather than conservative deregulation, I would blame it on cronyism within both the republican and democrat parties. You won't find many conservatives in the republican party, and the few that exist are hated.

There are bad guys in the private sector, but they couldn't do what they do without government complicity. Both sides play their favorites and find ways to funnel money to them, and that's what I think has to stop.

Government's role in the economy should never be more than the enforcement of common sense laws and regulations, with every business operating on a level playing field.

And I don't even know enough about the federal reserve to make a comment, beyond saying, that from what I've read, it's one spooky organization.

I think it's down to $65 billion a month now, but before that, and for a long time, they were dumping $85 billion a month into somewhere, through QE. A lot of that money ended up in the hands of big banks and Wall St, but I have no idea who is getting it.

We hear a lot about the evil Koch brothers, that earned their money the old fashioned way. If we consider the fed QE at $85 billion a month, the Koch brothers could unleash their entire combined net worth, put it into a conservative rampage, and it would last for two weeks. Big wup.

Deregulation or not, there just isn't anyone in the private sector that has the ability to totally twist things around like that. Wherever that money is going, it's creating unnatural ripples throughout the world, and I dread the day that this latest, (government created), bubble pops.

If you don't like the standard of living now, wait until the correction comes along from this phoney money, with hyperinflation right behind it, and our pensions and 401Ks become worth pennies on the dollar.

I hope it doesn't happen, but I don't see how it can't.

As we saw with the Clinton/Bush/congress housing mess...markets have a way of correcting themselves, and it can be pretty ugly.

It not have laws, but to enforce the laws already on the books.

That would be a nice start.

I was working in the yard today and thinking about the 1%. Not the 1% that give each other $250,000 cars for Christmas, but the real 1%...the people that dedicate buildings to each other. The people that don't make the news.

I'm becoming convinced that the answers to who the "true" 1% are, lie with the federal reserve.

The story reads like the most whacko conspiracy theory you've ever seen, but it's all true. It was started by a handful of families, and they control everything.

I think that might be my next reading assignment. I've gotten my feet wet before, and it's enough to make you crazy.

Oh. And BTW IHS, are you sure you want to leave the kids in charge?

Despite the popularity of this thread, nobody got to see your advertising. I can help.

Seriously,

You think the Federal reserve convinced Geoge W, Clinton and Obama to supoort spending about 2 trillion in Iraq, which will end up at about 6 trillion over 40 years, when you include the associated veterans benefits and personell deployments. I think it was generals and Congress, who get paid to make warfare, who were influenced by lobbiests who work for companies that sell to the war machine. Our spending on miltary is incomprehensible to me.

You think that the damage inflicted by Wall Street banks by fraudulant debt/loan/repackaging schemes on the US economy has been adequately compensated for, or are the designers of those failed systems sitting pretty.

Who is bearing the weight of failed international leadership, environmental and healthcare damage that the utility and petroleum industry is curently inflicting on the US, with complicit support from state and federal regulators, and military expansionism in order to ensure supply? Is it being born by those industries, who are making massive profits, or are we cutting foodstamps and denying the right to quality healthcare. We should be providing free premium education opportunity to anyone who wants it and can perform, building an energy transmission grid that will enable us to drastically reduce our dependence on polluting energy sources, reforming immigration to bring smart and creative people into our country, providing preventitive heathcare to every citizen who needs it.

No I don't think the Federal Reserve is holding us back. I think it is this senseless refusal to take responsibility for our future. Our corporations are like kids trashing our living room. Our Congress is afraid of them.

We are in denial of investment needs in infrastructure, the refusal to recognize elemental wealth distribution profiles that are required for improving standards of living. It's not rocket science, it is an elemental process by which you can gauge the success of your economy. The problem is not spending on social programs, the problem is the blind ambition of wealth creation at the expense of America. This is not a new or unusual issue, but the unwillingness of voters to control it is. Think roaring 20's, then depression, then new deal. 25 years of hell to recover.

I am not sure what you mean by the New Deal. The New Deal was not the engine that spurred the recovery, but the returning veteran's benefits in the form of mortgage loans and educational loans that created both a housing boom and a new wave of graduating professionals that was the economic rebound after WW II.

The new interstate highways system was the backbone for commerce.

Those three things were the significant players in turning things around.

I think it actually started with the Bush admin changing the EPA's goals from being about protecting the environment to protecting the polluter.

Come to think of it the Bush people did very little but attack science, especially over anything to do with oil or climate change - or Fracking.. After all human life or health is worth less than money.. that's why they invented off shoring and globalisation. :)

No administration should be using government agencies to further their personal fortunes or agenda. Period.

A depressing GA.

The discussion of politics and it's goals has been an emotional thorn in the backside of many since . . . is it the first or second oldest profession? The redeeming quality of our form of government, a Republic [at least for the present], is our right to express each view and not be shot or thrown into a prison. Each vote has power - and each vote has unintended consequences.

I look around and observe how society progressed with social maturity since the 60's, only to watch it regress in the current environment. Only in the past few years have some "responsible" media resorted to calling someone riotous names for differing opinions. What are the unintended consequences?

I don't see that kind of dialogue on this forum; one never knows from where their next spark of enlightenment will come.

(Why does "submit this comment" fail to work after "preview comment" ?)

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You took too long to reply, that is why.

Use back arrow, nest time, then copy your comment, then back arrow again until you get to the post you were replying to.

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Many Thanks, AH.