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Subtle Things That Humans Can Sense

04/03/2014 11:12 AM

Has anybody out there ever noticed the following things that I sense?

When you are in a completely dark and silent room and your ear is coming close to a wall you seem to be able to sense the wall as it gets closer to you. But there is no sound nor any reflected sound waves like a bat´s radar so how does this work.

When I´m drilling a hole in a piece of metal I seem to get a "feeling" just before the bit is about to come through the other side. I dont think its a change in the drill sounds or RPM´s but its some sort of feeling. I like it because it warns me to slack off on the pressure and avoids having the drill come through out of control.

In a totally silent room the silence becomes almost unbearably "silent?"

Just a couple of wierd ones to make the day more interesting, hehehe

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04/03/2014 11:27 AM

It happens to me wen I take two red pills, instead a red and a white one! lol

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04/03/2014 12:47 PM

You be trippin' man....

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04/03/2014 1:10 PM

It would be truely supernatural if we would notice what you sense.

But I can sense the drill coming through by the sound of it. Try drilling a hole with the ears plugged and you''ll see.

Have another coffee if the feeling is not going away!

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04/03/2014 1:43 PM

In a dark and silent room, your senses are sharpened by the lack of stimulation. Your heart is beating and your pulse is what youhear being reflected off the close wall surface, much as your ability to hear " the sea " in a sea shell. THAT is also your heart and blood flow you are listening to. Your brain learned during infancy to mask out the sounds your body creates internally, but you can still find ways to hear them.

The sense that you are nearing the bottom of a hole while drilling is the perception that the material is weakening because of the thinner cross section below the drill point. As you reach an area where the material can soften and flex you will feel the difference in penetration force required.

No mystical revelations here, only that our senses are under-rated.

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04/03/2014 1:59 PM

Excellent explanation.

The other guys were very funny and I also enjoyed them so thanks to all.

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04/03/2014 2:40 PM

I shall try to give some other explanations without considering those done as wrong but our senses are multiple:

- you sense the wall as was said but also other possibility can be considered: the ear is an intense blood circulating zone, if you come to a wall which has boundary layer with a temperature gradient the heat transfer rate from or to ear is modified with respect to the room middle this heat flow change can be detected since our sensors are sensitive NOT only to temperature but also to heat flow.

- the silence is "unbearable" since under normal conditions where ever you are a ground noise is present. this is filtered by the brain and only the sound over a threshold are noticed. If the noise level is under the usual one the brain notices an unusual situation and reacts to it. The "unbearable" feeling is the reaction it is a signal as "abnormal condition I do not know how to interpretate".

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04/03/2014 4:06 PM

GA. I believe that is why sensory deprivation is considered a form of torture.

I should also have mentioned the heat aspect; sense of touch is elevated as well and heat is a good example. - - GA.

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04/03/2014 6:27 PM

yep happens all the time

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04/03/2014 8:22 PM

The space between your head and the wall acts somewhat as a tuned cavity. Sound travels about 1000 ft/sec, meaning that the wavelength is about 1 foot for 1 Khz, 6 inches for 2 Khz, etc. As you get closer to the wall, lower frequencies are attenuated and the background white noise begins to sound "more treble".

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04/03/2014 11:23 PM

That's pretty natural and is basically because you are a spiritual being in or using a body. You sense through your normal body senses as well as the perceptions of the spirit - most people get these perceptions mixed up.
There is probably more than that you're perceiving and you wonder what it is.

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04/04/2014 1:52 AM

horse feathers.

Such experiences are common, yet unreproducable under scientific conditions.

I suggest you study the history of the Amazing Randi and his work to debunk such experiences...in a nice way of course.

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04/04/2014 4:25 AM

I don't know if it applicable to this blog, but that has never stopped me before! So here we go!!

Everyone knows that you hear a "mish mash" of sounds when you place a seashell over your ear. You hear it also whenever almost anything remotely resembling a seashell is placed over the ear. Though of course its nothing to do with the sea!!!

There is a reasonable explanation here:-

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question556.htm

or here:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seashell_resonance

I have an alarm system for 10 years (since before the dog!), that measures the frequency of a house (up to 600 Sq Meters of living space, on up to 3 floors) and uses this with a sensitive air pressure sensor, to decide if a house door or window has been opened, closed, closed broken or just jemmied. The frequencies and their strengths, plus a minute air pressure change subtly when a door or window is opened closed or just moved slightly, as the reflections also change....this allows the alarm to ignore loud noises, thunder for example, but still see very minor changes caused by a breakin for example.....

(Many have tried to copy this alarm, none have succeeded fully. It is also patented. The copies always react wrongly to other effects and miss the burglars!)

No need for wires all over the place and pets are not even noticed as long as they don't start opening or closing windows and doors.....

The frequency of a house, even a small one, is very low, below the usual frequency that a (normal) human can hear. I would guess a single room would be higher in frequency, but still not audible.

Maybe you can still hear some nuances of that sound and are using it (good BIG ears?) as a quasi sonar?

Now I am not going to mention that you are Bats (they do it on purpose by the way!) as I would not be so rude!!!

But what possible use is this quality???

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04/04/2014 5:04 AM

A check for this (see my post #12) might be to seal your ears with soft wax (anti snore stuff) or similar and to keep your mouth closed (you know why I hope?) and see if you can still sense the wall.....

But as you appear to be "feeling" the vibrations and not "hearing" them, the above test should make no difference....

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04/04/2014 5:52 AM

Anyone who has the gift of telekinesis please raise my right arm.

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04/04/2014 10:43 AM

You know your ear is close to the wall because your shoulder bumps into it.

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04/04/2014 12:17 PM

As others have said, nothing unusual here. You sense the wall through a combination senses operating in the background, mainly your hearing detecting the nature of the background noise (there's always background noise, even in an anechoic room) changes as your ear approaches the wall, and your skin surface detecting the large thermal mass of the wall.

The drill is easy to understand, it's the same sense of touch that guides a dentist's hand as he/she drills into a cavity. The tactile feedback as the boundary conditions change at the surface of the bit, no different drilling into wood with a void in it. Your ear also plays a subtle role since it does sense the change in pitch; don't forget that most drill bits have a tapered point, and as the tip breaks through the vibrations will change as the surface area decreases.

A "totally silent room" is never totally silent, it's just that our ear/brain combination has an AGC (Automatic Gain Control) that adjusts our auditory sensitivity according to the ambient noise floor. If you've ever been in an anechoic room you can hear this in action as the sounds of your own body (which are normally below the ambient noise floor) start getting louder and louder. The terror that some people feel is partially caused by these unfamiliar sounds uncontrollably ramping up.

The brain is a wonderfully complex adaptive filter which was originally programmed when we wandered naked in the forest; the parameters of the filter may have changed over time, but the original programs are still there.

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04/04/2014 2:02 PM

Your right about the super-sensitivity. I'm really sensitive to the absolate value of the second derivative of barometric pressure, which I might call my 7th sense.

The sixth sense is active too and I've learned to never ignore it. while driving, I would get the urge to go miles out of the way and then learn that there was a major backup on the roadway. When my grandfather passed away I could nearly "feel" the time of passing and he was miles away. No other relative had that effect and we only saw each other maybe once a year.

Telepathy exists but it's "very hard" to make happen with so many distractions.

I have heightened senses. Don't know why my grandfather seemed to be an amplifier of sorts.

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04/04/2014 2:36 PM

We have more than five senses - duh. What's hard to explain is how this eluded all the educators most of us have had over the years.

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My favorite for some reason is proprioception. If you're very familiar with the room, you can "know" how close you are to the wall when it's dark.

I happen to think we have very weak abilities to detect fields of some kinds. This can come into play in sensory deprived situations, or when we act on "intuition" or are playing "in the zone."

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04/04/2014 3:36 PM

You've touched an an interesting point. Do we have a 6th sense without knowing it.

In an advanced world in distant time is there likely to a known 6th sense - whatever it might be - and how would it come about.

We have 5 senses now, but they didn't all develop in parallel (or did they?).

Would it be medical science and human engineering that brings about a 6th sense.

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04/04/2014 9:36 PM

I had a difficult to explain experience many years back when my 21 year old son was over a hundred miles away. In the early hours of the morning, I had a "nightmare" where he was thrown into a canal and, on the point of drowning he struggled to reach the bank, where I mentally "physically" helped him. I had "wished / pushed" him, to climb out of the dark water, on to the brick edged bank, of the canal.

When he returned home a few day later, he came home and told us how, in the early hours of that morning, a group of youths had thrown him in to the canal of the same description and then they ran way, and that he nearly drowned. With great difficulty he managed to climb on to the brick edged canal bank, in the dark early hours, and survived. i.e. exactly as in my nightmare!

I have no explanation whatsoever for this experience. My dream (nightmare) was unprovoked, and the time, location, and description, of the incident matched my son's experience exactly, just as if I had been there, literally to help him. My son and I had not spoken to each other about anything like this prior to his departure, nor of this event in any previous way and, I did not know he was near to a canal. I have not written of this before, speaking only to the wife who naturally was concerned when I described my dream, long before my son came home. Simply unbelievable?

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04/05/2014 8:15 PM

If its not reproduce-able, its not science.

I believe it is just delusion (which includes recovered memory syndrome, and the "dirty spoon syndrome" as well as confirmation bias , but I have no better explanation than that. Not to worry though... lots of people are delusional...look how many voted for Obama!

Everybody sees the dirty spoon or fork (or dirty window) but nobody takes special note of the clean ones. The result is a cherry picking of results which "confirm" the existence of the sixth sense. I cannot explain all the details when your son came home except that I have personally experienced a developing false memory that came from leading questions. Its why lawyers NEVER ask leading questions. (Yeah...he WAS wearing a red shirt when he shot the guy! Same one as he is wearing in his grad picture!) This seems more likely to me than the existence of a sixth sense. A reliable witness, such as your wife to whom you gave all the details to speaks very strongly in favor of your view. Did you or your wife write the details down? If not, then I will write it off as confirmation bias, and part of the thousands of co-incidences which happen to everyone every day. Co-incidences can be really startling! But a one-off such as this one is not really definitive. (That being said...the roof made a powerful crash for no apparent reason the moment my father died. But then, it has moved in the cold before...grin!)

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04/05/2014 8:49 PM

Hi Yusef1, I appreciate your comments (especially about Obama!) and being an engineer have no belief in hocus pocus, the neither world, etc. etc. However, I do believe persons can be "on the same wave length" or, as you say, (might describe) it as a coincidence.

We will never know, but it was unbelievably strange. (for me to sense his danger.)

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04/06/2014 10:23 AM

About memory: there is an ancient Japanese story according to which a Samurai who was travelling trough forest with his wife was murdered by a thief. A judge interrogated the widow to know what happened. An eye witness gave a different version of the facts. Eventually, the thief was found and interrogated, but his sayings did not match those of the Samurai´s wife nor the witness... In order to provide a fair sentence, the judge invoked the spirit of the Samurai, who gave a fourth version of the facts. This old tale just confirms theories about how internal (psychological, chemical) and external facts (sounds, light, daytime) change the way a "true" fact is recorded by the brain.

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04/06/2014 4:46 PM

I understand you thinking completely! My mother used to see gray clouds in the distance occasionally. Every time this happened someone close to the family was dyeing very soon or just had. Spooky since she would know who it was happening to.

Did I inherit some of it? Last night I was driving the wife's car running some errands. Yes that car, the one with all sorts of junk in the clove compartment and console, tissues in the door compartment, coffee cups double stacked in the cup holders, the makeup bag on the back seat and heaven knows what in the trunk!

As I was driving I wondered if the insurance card was in the car. Made a mental note that I should check that when I got home. Five minutes later, with high beams on going down a two lane road within the speed limit, a large buck runs in front of the car killing himself instantly. Car has at least several thousands $ of damage. I knew, even before I called the police, I would need that insurance card that I had thought of 5 minutes earlier to show to the police. What was the connection? Why did I think of the card right before Bambi's old man decided on suicide by car? Is this the same as my mother? Why did my mother have that ability? Was it just coincidence or something else?

As a fitting mystery, when I called my wife about 5 minutes after the impact, she answered with "What's wrong, are you and the car alright?" before I had even said hello. She had a premonition that something was wrong!

Sorry, I can't predict lotteries.

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04/06/2014 5:42 PM

In this case, I have the feeling that it was just a plane coincidence, cause you were not driving your own car, but your wife´s: in such cases one naturally makes a mental check of what may not be in the car but in her purse or on top of the drawer next to where the keys have been left... It´s just like the pilot who double checks the "gear up" light some minutes after having taken of. As about your (all) wife´s capability of recognizing something went wrong, they DO have a sixth sense that shows up when something happens.... but this also can be explained too because of a noise (they know all our noises, and their meaning) we inadvertently make when phoning or the pitch of our voice... or just because they know....

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04/06/2014 2:32 AM

If you listen to the water when you turn on the hot water, you can hear the difference btwn the cold and hot water, the frequency is different. I lived in a haunted house for 2 years. I seen and heard things I never dealt with before. On Sunday, the first day of bringing my wife and new baby home. I sat on the couch and proceeded to discuss with our friends that we (I) would really appreciate if you could all leave until we move out as this is just a rental and we will leave someday, soon. Or I will be forced to throw you out.

I then went to the hospital to retrieve momma and baby. When we arrived home, the house was 100% quiet. It remained so until the day we moved out. Even the folks helping us move felt THEM moving in. It was an amazing experience, but I've had may before this. Just never lived with them like that and have not since.

It was quite an experience and never repeated. It was amazing in a way. The one guy wore a brown suit with a top hat. Seemed to be 1800's. He was the only one who revealed himself. The others just bothered the silverware and pots and pans in the kitchen. Back then Thriller was on TV, there were many times it made them angry and I actually had to turn the TV off for them to quiet down. It was an amazing experience. It's been 30+ years since then.

I still see things, hear things, but nothing like those 2 years back then. It was an amazing time in our lives. We never knew who they were or why they were there.

What we did learn is they did not follow us after the move.

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04/07/2014 2:30 PM

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That's totally amazing. I suppose you never heard about these guys: www.njghs.net

There have been articles in the local newspaper about them.

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04/20/2014 10:09 PM

I have tinnitus so I am never in a quiet room. I usually use my nose or forehead or the brim of my ball cap to tell how close I am to the wall.

In your case it is probably the tiny little fuzzy hairs on your ear starting to stand up from the static electricity building between them and the wall that tip you off.

As far as drilling goes, the thinner the metal below the bit, the smaller the reflected vibrations from the bit cutting the metal become.

Someone who hasn't drilled a lot of holes wouldn't notice it. You must practice a lot.

I have a sixth sense when I am looking for something that it is somewhere nearby but it is probably my peripheral vision picking it up.

The one that really freaks me out but I have come to accept and trust is when I am going somewhere and something tells me to take something along that I have no idea why I would need it. Happens to me nearly once a week.

Another freaky thing is premonitions of things that are about to happen about 15 seconds into the future. Like seeing a car approaching a few hundred yards from a red light and realizing it is not going to stop and will hit the car that just got the green light on the adjacent side street. I have actually dialed 911 and told the operator "Hold on, there is a wreck about to happen" and then Crash! Freaked out the operator a little bit too as she heard the crash.

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04/21/2014 9:38 AM

Ever hear of a horse called "clever Hans"? Worth the google to find out the story. Sounds to me like you have got confirmation bias down to a fine art!

I believe that humans and animals have the ability to pick up on near microscopic expression changes and behavior changes in their situational awareness. Dogs are especially sensitive...but humans have their moments. I have been known to scare the bejeappers out of my staff by "reading their minds". Any mentalist can do this with a little training. On a similar note, I have a book, written in the forties or fifties called "How to read a person like a book". This book is a superb primer on what I might with accuracy call "mentalism". No pscychic crap or woo woo...just tuning into the VERY subtle signals. Much more interesting than the woo woo in my humble opinion.

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04/21/2014 10:37 AM

The dog Skidboot was like that but I know from my own dogs that some of them have IQ's way higher than others.

My Plott Hound Velvet will come and tell me when one of my other dogs has to go out if I am in a different part of the house and she uses vocalizations to do it which I can understand most of the time so I know which of my other 3 dogs she is talking about.

She also initiates 'milkbone parties' for them, pointing her nose at which one should get the milkbones first before she gets hers. They'll all be out on the front porch then come in to me and sit in a semi-circle with her in the middle and she'll say in her lip-less dialect, "We want some milkbones".

My male Chow/Aussie mix, Buckaroo, understands full short sentence 'commands'. For instance, "Will you please go over and lay by the door so I don't step on you." Freaks people out now and then who don't know him.

Buck and Velvet's puppies have been trained to understand sign language for a deaf girl, another was trained to sniff sugar for a little 9 year old diabetic girl, another was trained to differentiate between the language people on the other end of a cell phone call are using other than English and even recognize a specific language the other caller is using.

Service dogs for blind people are the most amazing, they can reason in abstract ways to keep their owners safe.

If you don't think animals can count, show your dog 3 milkbones and give it two and see what happens...

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