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Metallic Bellows Designing Piping

04/29/2014 10:22 PM

Hello everyone, Please help me regarding the following.

I am analysing de-coke line (straight to de-coke drum from primary exchanger).

Pressure 45 psi (3.1 bar)

Temp 400 deg Celsius

Size 36"

From above what I can figure out is that,

1. temp, pressure & size are big enough. Therefore, cant neglect pressure thrust.

2. which bellow type is most suitable (as per my understanding it should be pressure balanced & if so there is no need for an anchor )? I am confused because preliminary analysis uses axial bellow with limit rod with some gap & did not consider any effective ID for accounting pressure thrust. Also, limit rod will not restrain pressure thrust in continuous operation, it will be restraining in case of anchor failure only.

3. Can not use bellow with tie rods as it will not allow thermal axial compression.

4. Also let me know, from what pressure limit shall I consider it as high pressure line , especially for bellows pressure thrust calculation?

Kindly suggest how do I proceed & correct me if wrong anywhere. Its my first experience analysing bellow system.

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Montek

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Re: Metallic Bellows Designing Piping

04/29/2014 11:17 PM

Please explain how the piping runs and which points are restrained (solidly anchored). So far a surfeit of quantitative analysis is chasing a deficit of qualitative description.

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Re: Metallic Bellows Designing Piping

04/30/2014 1:33 AM

Hi Tornado. Thanks for your reply.

OK, Piping runs horizontaly, say from north to south approx 40 m. Expansion joint location is at 3 m from the equipment nozzle (as an anchor). Intermediate supports are properly guided as per EJMA.

The other anchor location is at 35 m from the equipment nozzle. Actually it is not treated as an anchor in the previous analysis, but as per my understanding there should be an anchor on the other side of the expansion joint also. I have confirmed that the location can be taken as an anchor. (Perhaps if I use pressure balanced exp joint there is no need of this anchor. Correct me if I am wrong.)

There is no elbow between two anchors.

Pipe size is increased from 30" to 36", bellow is on 36" up to equipment nozzle.

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Re: Metallic Bellows Designing Piping

04/30/2014 8:03 AM

It is time to talk to bellows manufacturers over the telephone. In fact, it is overdue.

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Re: Metallic Bellows Designing Piping

04/30/2014 9:46 PM

The numbers work out to about 46,000 lbf tending to extend the bellows. The nearest piping anchors in each direction will need to resist this force.

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