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Cantilever Threaded Connection

06/09/2014 5:09 AM

I need to find the maximum deflection allowable for a cantilever pipe. The pipe has male threads and the anchor point is the female threads.

The max tensile and max torque for the make-up of the threaded connection are known. I also know all of the physical geometries (ID, OD, Length, thread length, thread profile etc.). The deflection may come during the make-up and/or may come after the threads are fully made-up.

Any help or direction would be appreciated.

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Re: cantilever threaded connection

06/09/2014 6:19 AM

Maximum deflection allowable isn't calculated, it's specified or determined by good practice, typically not more the 1/360 of the cantilever length.

To calculate actual deflection, I don't think the fact that it's threaded affects it. If the female part is fixed (as it must be for a cantilever) you can find deflection using the usual formula, including the I-value (2nd moment of area) of the pipe.

You haven't mentioned stress, but you also need to check that is OK. Highest bending moment is of course at the threaded connection and should use the actual pipe wall thickness, taking account of the threads.

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06/09/2014 10:40 AM

I don't think the fact that it's threaded affects it.

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The threaded section will effect it with the threads cut, reducing the wall thickness.

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06/09/2014 11:04 AM

Yes, that's what I meant by "the actual pipe wall thickness, taking account of the threads." But as long as the stress at that point is OK, I don't think it significantly affects the total deflection at the end of the cantilever, which is determined by bending all along the length. The angular deflection is by definition zero at the fixed end of the cantilever, and the thread doesn't alter that (provided stress is acceptable).

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06/09/2014 11:15 AM

with the exception of a stress point on the thread.....

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06/09/2014 11:50 AM

Of course, that's why he needs to check stress based on the reduced thickness.

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06/09/2014 8:11 AM

We don't need no steenkin' calculations...

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Re: Cantilever Threaded Connection

06/09/2014 9:18 AM

What is in the pipe, its temperature and its pressure?

What is the weight of the lagging and the cladding attached to it?

What is the specification of the pipe?

Why is this task not being delegated to a qualified Piping Designer at the facility?

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06/09/2014 6:02 PM

Use a socket fitting and weld it.

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06/09/2014 8:00 PM

Why is there a limit on a pipe cantilever, what is the function of this pipe? is it actually being used for a piping function?

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06/10/2014 6:18 AM

I'll second that!

catradar - more detail on your set-up might help get a more useful answer.

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Re: Cantilever Threaded Connection

06/10/2014 6:23 AM

The most liberal of structural codes allow L/180 for cantilevers and L/360 for simply supported beams and/or encastre beams. The European code allows for L/200 with a maximum of 10mm. However, no information thus far indicates that this application is a structural one.

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06/10/2014 7:01 AM

if the deflection comes during the makeup, methinks you are in trouble, as allowable deflection would progress from 0-100% during that time period.

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06/10/2014 8:01 AM

The maximum deflection for any cantilever system is described by the standard formulas for bending beams. In your case, it would be -Wlexp3/3EI, where W=load on the pipe, l=length of pipe, E=elastic modulus of the material, and I=moment of inertia around the axis of the pipe. It is safer to use this formula than to rely on rules of thumb, unless their origin is verifiable.

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Re: Cantilever Threaded Connection

06/10/2014 8:25 AM

Simple Statics and materials engineering. If you're an engineer then you should know how to do these computations.

If the applied Design Load is Uniformly Distributed, then

Max. Delta = (w*l^4)/(8*E*I) (at the free end)

Max. M = w*l^2/2 (at the fixed end connection)

Max. V = W*l (at the fixed end connection)

You need to know the applied design load, the Moment of inertia of the section, the material Modulus of Elasticity, and the cross sectional area.

If the Applied Design Load is a concentrated load at the free end of the member, then

Max. Delta = (P*l^3)/(3*E*I) (at the free end)

Max. M = P*l (at the fixed end connection)

Max. V = P (at the fixed end connection)

The threaded connection will generally have no bearing on the determination of the maximum deflection found at the free end, unless it's a long connection.

Threaded end connection will most likely be very problematic in regard to resisting both Shear (V) and Bending Moment (M) at the Fixed end. If fact, it's crappy engineering practice to use such a threaded connection, with a reduced area in both the member and threaded stud, unless you have certified laboratory test loaded results to work with in regard to Allowable Resisting Moment and Allowable Resisting Shear. You are much better off using a fully welded socket connection, as previously mentioned by others.

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Re: Cantilever Threaded Connection

06/10/2014 10:10 AM

What you haven't mentioned is the pipe bore, or the thickness of the pipe wall. Further, if the cantilever is anchored by a female thread, then such thread is cut within a fitting (eg screwed socket/ other), not within the pipe itself.

Therefore the strain is taken up within the fitting, and the male thread of the mated cantilevered pipe. Bear in mind that the thickness of the pipe wall is diminished owing to the cutting of the thread, and if it is an NPT thread, there will be some play in the fitting due to the taper of the thread. Installation seems like a clever amateur design. I can't/ won't help without installation design drawings to refer to.

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