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06/10/2014 12:17 PM

Can anyone have any answer of below? Please note the following process data.
Service : LP Steam
Inlet Line Size : 30"
Flow Max : 222, 654 KG/Hr
Inlet Pressure : 4 Barg
Inlet Temp. : 221 Deg. C
Max Pressure drop : 0.5 Barg
Outlet Temp.: 153 Deg. C

The questions:
1. What type of valve should be used? Is it possible with single valve or multiple valves?
2. Is it possible to have integrated De-Superheater with pressure Letdown? Or we need to have separate letdown and De-superheater.
3. What is the turndown available in both cases 1 and 2? Min. flow is 60,000/- Kg/Hr
4. If inlet pressure is changed from 4 Barg to 5 Barg, please provide your input for points 1 to 3.
5. Please provide outlet line size in the above cases.

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06/10/2014 4:24 PM

Sorry, I am not your company's consultancy service.

If this is for that hydroprocessing project you mentioned previously then have you asked them these questions?

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06/10/2014 5:46 PM

You need to retain a properly qualified consultant.

Getting answers from total strangers who are unknown to you and your client

could prove deadly, even though there may well be highly qualified members here.

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06/10/2014 9:36 PM

This is not homework, is it?

  1. Valves should be suitable for the service. A valve supplier will be happy to help. I think a single valve even so the application is unknown will never be enough. You will very most likley need more than one valve
  2. Is "letdown" a technical term?
    I found this http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/desuperheating/basic-desuperheater-types.asp
    This could give all the answers needed

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06/11/2014 12:07 AM

Good reference...

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06/11/2014 8:59 AM

"Letdown" is a standard industry term used all the time Stateside.

"Letdown Station" is what we call a pressure reducing valve (with controler), by-pass, and steam trap.

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06/11/2014 12:31 PM

Thanks Smith.

Lyn and Jack@ Thanks for You as well. This a not a question related to any project.

This just a general question.

When i checked i found that velocity was very high. I think in general the maximum allowed velocity for steam application is around 180-230 feet/sec

But here it seems its very large..I think the flow here is wrong.. Do any one agree to me here..

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06/11/2014 4:14 PM

Using your data of 4 Barg, (which would be saturated at 416.78 °K, but you mentioned superheated...) at maximum flow of 222,654 Kg/hr and the density for saturated steam of 0.4625 m3/kg, I arrive at 102977 m3/hr, and your 30" pipe at inlet to the let-down is 0.456 m2. Thus your velocity is 225,826 m/hr or 62.7 m/sec (205.7 ft/sec) which is slightly under the upper limit you mentioned, but I have no recommendation on that. It does seem somewhat roaring.

Any amount of superheat will by raising the temperature lower the density accordingly, and will add to the velocity. You report an initial temperature of 494.2 °K, so the velocity must increase by a factor of approximately 18% to 242.7, which may well exceed any known limits.

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06/12/2014 11:17 AM

A1) Discuss the project with a local friendly valve distributor, and let that company quote for it.

A2)Yes, and possibly.

A3) Turndown is 222654/60000 [No calculator available here].

A4) as above, in all three cases

A5) Make the line size appropriate to the velocity in it not exceeding 10m/s.

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