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Can Rage in Engine Break a Connecting Rod?

06/14/2014 4:19 AM

Hi, there was an incident at the workshop where by after servicing a fork lift, the machine started and after it was turned off for some few minutes it didn't start again. After trying every possible auto skill to start it, the sump was opened and it was found out that the connecting rod to cylinder three was broken. The cylinder heard was then opened and there was a rage in cylinder three. The question is did the rage constitute the breakage of the connecting rod? was the rage in the engine before Coming to the shop since the machine had difficulty starting in all conditions? Thank you and will be glad to hear you responds.

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Re: Can rage in engine break a connecting rod?

06/14/2014 5:42 AM

Anything is possible, Mildred.

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06/14/2014 8:12 AM

Forgive my ignorance, but I've never heard the term "rage in engine". Just what is this?

I've experienced connecting rod failure twice, once after the rod bearing failed while the engine was running, where the babbitt bearing insert had excessive wear, and the oil film failed (pump could not provide enough flow), this makes a lot of noise before failure, and the second one in a single cylinder engine that uses the aluminum connecting rod, as babbitt, and as the engine was used on a garden tiller, the oil level was low, and because of tilted sump operation, the splash oil system failed.

If the failure occurs from the piston failing, you have a connecting rod slapping around in the cylinder, which eventually breaks and punches holes in the sump castings. As you did not indicate this failure, I would guess that the rod bearing seized, and broke clean off the rest of the connecting rod.

If your indicating upper cylinder failure (rage in engine), a stuck or broken valve could have caused the failure that broke the connecting rod. If it was the valve, you would see this embedded in the piston head. Also dropping FOD into the engine via the carburetor, could be ingested, and cause upper cylinder failure, resulting in rod failure.

You need to describe rage in engine. But there would be loud noises that would be heard if the damage occurred under your watch.

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06/14/2014 11:32 AM

Rag.

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06/14/2014 11:45 AM

Did you mean rag: a piece of waste cloth used to wipe your hands etc.? Of course any object in the cylinder that prevents the piston from completing a full stroke while under power is likely to damage the connecting rod. This, of course leads to the question of how a rag got into the cylinder in the first place.

Or, did you mean rage: uncontrolled anger. I have experienced rage quite often when working on automobile engines. I have found that rage quite often leads to things getting broken.

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06/14/2014 12:51 PM

More often for me, rage just made me bleed somewhere.

I did manage to throw a 7/8" Craftsman combination wrench all the way across our cul-de-sac one time though.

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06/15/2014 4:20 PM

Yes, engine rage has caused me several injuries, but, so far, no breakage.

Assuming OP means rag, then, yes, as others have said, a rag which prevents the piston from going to TDC would break a rod. (I have used a piece of rope down the spark plug hole to hold my chainsaw crankshaft from turning so I could replace the clutch/sprocket.)

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06/14/2014 12:17 PM

If Godly enough.

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06/14/2014 12:24 PM

"After trying every possible auto skill to start it"

I doubt that!

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06/14/2014 2:18 PM

On the other hand, I know of a case where a hammer spent a few years in a compressor crankcase without causing any harm.

Scalpels left in surgery patients are not usually so benign though.

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06/14/2014 4:08 PM

What's the cylinder bore on a forklift engine block? 75mm? give or take?

How can a rag fit completely into the cylinder's displacement volume so that no part is exposed or overhangs enough to be noticed when the head was placed? A gum wrapper or cigarette butt might have fallen unnoticed into the cylinder bore, not a rag.

Someone deliberately stuffed the rag into the cylinder. This has an m.o. of sabotage.

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06/15/2014 12:29 AM

"A hammer spent a few years in a compressor crankcase…" quite interesting.

I have witnessed a catastrophic failure of huge nitrogen compressor which experienced a serious of failures initiated by the broken valves plate bits that got into cylinder.

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06/15/2014 6:21 AM

So this really is a case of "losing the rag" (not sure if this has any meaning to anyone outside the UK)

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06/15/2014 10:23 AM

OK I get it now...there was a rag found in cylinder number 3 after the head was removed. So if we assume its a diesel engine, and the servicing you mentioned had also removed the head...then it's possible someone either forgot a rag in the cylinder when they put the head back on, or left it there on purpose. The only other way I can figure that a rag could get in there is by someone stuffing it in through a glow plug hole! In any case a rag, even a small one, inside a diesel engine cylinder would certainly do some damage when you tried to start it!

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06/15/2014 1:59 PM

Don't know what a "rage in an engine" is. Do know that if you use your foot as a dead blow hammer on the engine it will develop no rage in the engine but lots of it in you. Also that rage will last longer since it takes longer to repair your foot than it does an engine, especially connecting rods or heads.

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06/15/2014 6:16 PM

I believe you are referring to a rag left in the cylinder then installing the head which to me is almost impossible but you or your associates accomplished something that is almost impossible. Now this rag depending on size will when the piston is in upward motion create a blockage between the piston and the cylinder head. Something has to give and since the cylinder head stayed in place you now have the answer. Please do not work on any more engines even for free. You may also check the head for some bent or damaged valves.

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06/15/2014 10:27 PM

This is a little off-topic, but several years ago a wrench somehow found its way into a centrifugal pump where I worked at the time. It apparently spun around with the impellor for some time and eventually cut a perfectly circular hole in the face of the pump, resulting in a several thousand gallon spill of 2-nitropropane. Fortunately, nobody was injured, there wasn't a fire, and the spill was contained within the secondary containment dike. The wrench was worn down to a nub, but you could easily see that it had once been a wrench.

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06/16/2014 6:14 AM

WOW! No heat, no sparks. One lucky day.

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06/16/2014 9:12 AM

Yes, it could have been pretty bad. Nobody knows for sure how that wrench got into the pump. I doubt if there was anything deliberate about it. It could have fallen into the tank when the manhead was open for maintenance and eventually found it's way into the pump, which was beneath the tank. Apparently it didn't have much effect the pump performance.

With regard to rage causing damage to mechanical components... Oh yes!! I have tossed my share of wrenches and kicked a few things that weren't meant to meant to be kicked!!

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06/16/2014 2:03 PM

I've never seen an engine get pissed off enough to express rage before. Must be upset at the operator that does't even get it warmed up before ride hard going full speed.....

Kind of like a woman without sufficient forplay?

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06/16/2014 3:41 PM

If you meant rag, then yes.

If you meant rage (as in intense anger), then yes, especially if a moron attack led to placement of the rag.

If you reggae, then not so much, except if various parts got to dancin' around in a peculiar manner, man.

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