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Girth Gear and Pinion Damage

06/18/2014 4:08 AM

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i have a rotary kiln girth gear and pinion that has scuff marks on the tooth flank. the lubrication system is working fine and the gear is covered from dust or any other elements getting onto the teeth. what is the cause of these marks as the gear has only been running for 7 years.

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Re: Girth Gear and Pinion Damage

06/18/2014 4:18 AM

1. Maybe for some of the 7 years, the lubrication hasn't always been working well.
2. Maybe the average life for gears in this duty is only 6 years.
3. Maybe a mixture of incompatible lubricants has been involved.
4. Maybe the gears are too close in hardness (it may be better for one of them to be softer and treated as a renewable part).
5. Maybe there is misalignment.
6. Maybe the manufacturer can give the best advice.

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06/19/2014 9:13 AM

Good advice - also, as my consummate tinker late uncle would say, "viberation" and crystal fractionation (i.e. some amount of reversion to cast iron or other comparatively non-malleable species) of the steel due to very high point loads due to "viberation" at a frequency/amplitude that the operator may not perceive.

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06/18/2014 5:07 AM

Like most mechanical things, if you dismantle it, clean it, inspect it, lubricate it and reassemble it correctly the cause may become apparent, or if not it will probably have been removed.

Mind I s'pose it's too big to do that?

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06/18/2014 10:23 AM

Scuffing indicates there has been a failure to maintain a complete lubricant barrier between gear teeth allowing contact between asperities and possibly wear products as well, i.e. adhesive wear.

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A myriad of possibilities causes exist.

It could be a flaw in the original gear design.

The lubricant specified might not be up to the task, e.g. a higher FZG number might be called for.

The specified lubricant might be adequate, but what was obtained was not up to spec or was degraded prior to or during service.

There may have been a high temperature excursion, or extreme temperature gradient exceeding design criteria.

Original manufacture or subsequent work may have left the surface too rough or otherwise out of spec.

A disgruntled chipmunk may have dusted the pinion gear when no one is looking.

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Keeping the lubrication supply consistently at the low end of the acceptable range is one thing that can help to reduce the likelihood/severity of scuffing.

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06/18/2014 10:24 AM

Without a picture, working parameters and dimensions it is difficult to say if it is a failure or only normal wear.

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06/18/2014 11:05 AM

I started my comment with the intent of requesting pictures. Thank you for actually doing it.

I second the request for pictures. They may be helpful and they will definitely be appreciated.

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06/18/2014 11:01 PM

Any chance of you posting some photos?

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06/19/2014 12:00 AM

Seven years is a long time for a gear that has had continuous duty or even extended duty regardless of its lubrication system. Most machinery requires periodic maintenance. You do not give any history of that. More information as well as closeup photos would be very helpful.

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06/19/2014 9:55 AM

If only "scuffing" is seen, it may just be normal wear and tear, as you say, 7 years of operation does take its toll. Nothing mechanical lasts forever, unless of course it doesn't get used.

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06/25/2014 5:04 AM

The last time we changed a girth gear it had been in service 25 years. The pinion had been changed every 5 or 6 years.

Personally I think the OP is looking at general wear and tear. They're old and knackered like me. I'm retired, it's about time those gears were.

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