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Voltmeter

07/23/2014 5:59 AM

A 100V voltmeter has an accuracy of 5% on full scale. The percentage error while measuring 50 V will be?

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07/23/2014 6:20 AM

10.

(Possibly less, but not guaranteed.)

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07/23/2014 6:29 AM

It's a question the voltmeter manufacturer might address over the telephone.

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07/23/2014 6:47 AM

What question number is that?

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07/23/2014 7:56 AM

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07/23/2014 8:36 AM

Are you sure it is 5% ON full scale and not 5% OF full scale? I bet it is ±5% of FS and is therefor ±5 volts on the entire 100 volt range.

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07/23/2014 10:55 PM

I don't think so. The error per cent will typically be the same across the entire range. A good meter will have a calibration chart. Or you can make one.

But 5% is not a very good meter.

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07/28/2014 9:30 AM

I think you're going to lose that bet!

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07/23/2014 8:54 AM

Dear Prajith,

I think there should not be change in % error limit. It should be less than 5%.

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07/24/2014 11:55 AM

Dear Prajith,

Hope your question is answered clearly by Mr. hilton and cjanand.

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07/23/2014 9:22 AM

5% + or -....? get a new meter....Your accuracy should be + or - >1%....

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07/24/2014 12:41 PM

5% is >1%. Should be <1%.

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07/23/2014 9:35 AM

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07/23/2014 9:50 AM

I don't know about you guys, but a VOM with +/- 5% would go in my kids' toybox.

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07/23/2014 12:24 PM

...or would be recycled under the terms of the WEEE Directive here.

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07/23/2014 10:23 PM

I would attempt to calibrate it. I have several large hammers perfect for the task.

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07/28/2014 2:00 PM

Every meter I ever bought from Radio Shack is certainly there.

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07/24/2014 4:30 AM

Accuracy is 5% whether you are reading mid-scale or full scale. Is this an analogue or digital meter? Poor quality in any case...replace at first opportunity.

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07/28/2014 4:31 AM

OFF TOPIC ?????

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07/28/2014 3:38 PM

Not really.

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08/06/2014 2:50 AM

Thanks...I was afraid of onset of dementia for a moment. I built an analogue meter during my (pre-digital) training years...

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07/24/2014 10:30 AM

Measuring instrument error value is always indicated as percentage of the full scale, for readings from the minimum to the maximum. So the error in this case is 5% of 100 (FSR). This is the worst error that can arise between "minimum scale" (guessing it is 0) to 100V. So the true value could be anywhere between 45 to 55 V.

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07/28/2014 9:12 AM

Measuring instrument error value is always indicated as percentage of the full scale

No. It could be % of reading.

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07/24/2014 11:57 AM

Dear Prajith,

Hope your question is answered clearly by Mr. hilton, Ormonto and cjanand.

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07/24/2014 11:51 PM

2.5 %. Assuming your meter is zero'd AT Zero, and off by 5% at 100, half way up would be 2.5 volts wrong. How likely is it to be otherwise guys?

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07/24/2014 11:55 PM

Very likely to the point of near certainty. Particularly since you started with an assumption.

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07/25/2014 12:58 AM

I always zeroed MY voltmeters at zero. I make no real assumption about what the O.P. would do. I hold out little hope actually, but perhaps I am biased against students who should know better. (Especially the old mechanical VOM's. come to think of it, I don't ever remember zeroing my digital ones at all, just cross the leads and make sure they go to zero. There may be a pot inside to set it to zero, but damned if I ever opened a VOM to find it!)

And as an aside, what an unusual question the O.P. came up with. One is reminded of other places where you work with verifiable pre-existing errors...like standard deviation in compass readings and tension-compression caused vertical radian angle deviation in response to wind loading on radar masts. Has its place, but I have not dealt with any of these problems for a very VERY long time!

Compass swings are still done, (even in these days of GPS) but I can't remember ever having to deal with a compensation to a radar or microwave mast, like, ever. Ever deal with such problems Red? (I don't mean sag from weight or age but less predictable loading)

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07/25/2014 8:02 AM

I regularly have to reeducate very bright people about measurement uncertainty. [Uncertainty is a better description and does not imply an emotion that "error" does.] I myself have not dealt with uncertainty with GPS.

Turn right NOW!

Recalculating.... Recalculating...

Uncertainty with GPS has now become a standard joke used in many car insurance commercials.

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07/25/2014 12:54 AM

2.5 volts out of 50 is still 5% off, not 2.5%. Moreover, error ratings are normally based on full scale, thus becoming larger percentages at partial scale.

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07/25/2014 1:09 AM

Interesting. And not just semantics. Now you are inspiring me do some experiments. GA. Maybe the professor's question was a real "gotcha" test question!

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07/25/2014 1:14 AM

Oh, am I wrong? I can't see how. But I am willing to be educated. I have been wrong before...grin!

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07/25/2014 4:20 AM

Oh, I see where I went wrong, I initially said 2.5% when I should have said 2.5 volts. I see where I went wrong now. Curse those fumbling fingers...grin! I will have to watch these senior moments, thats two in two days!

Proof yet again you cannot proof read your own work!

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07/25/2014 6:09 AM

Yusef,

You are assuming a linear error across the full scale, which is not the case.

The error can arise anywhere along the scale.

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07/25/2014 3:35 AM

To calculate the percentage error while measuring 50 V has to use some points and better to use this like the actual value(A), the forecast (F) as the denominator, take some other apart from (A) and (F), the formula for this is:-

" %error=|Difference of the two values|/Average of two values *100"

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07/25/2014 11:47 AM

Almost all spec's for VTVM's is PLUS or MINUS some per cent of full scale. That would mean your meter is +/- five volts if you are on the 100V scale. For better accuracy, set it on the 50 V scale.

Also, nearly all inexpensive VTVM's are accurate for sine waves only. If your waveform is distorted, there will be even more error.

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07/25/2014 12:23 PM

A VTVM? Now that's real old school technology.

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07/26/2014 11:22 AM

That sounds like what he has!

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