Previous in Forum: Is there a Successful Government Program, Anywhere?   Next in Forum: Ancient Aliens
Close
Close
Close
10 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Associate

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: CHELSEA,MA
Posts: 39

Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/25/2014 12:45 PM

We have 2 Cleaver Brooks boilers model #CB1200250125 gas fired 10200000 BTU each and I would like to schedule cleaning fire side and water side. How often do boiler need need to be cleaned? Do I need to clean fire side every year or I can skip if it is in good shape.

__________________
ZORANDODO
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#1

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/25/2014 1:06 PM
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#2

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/25/2014 2:35 PM
__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1296
Good Answers: 104
#3

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/25/2014 6:26 PM

Ultimately, it's up to the code inspector, based on operating history. One place I worked (water-tube boilers), the inspector would give us a one year extension (if we hadn't had any abnormal events) - another place the inspector gave no extensions. Personally, if I was going to extend, I'd want flue gas outlet temperature recorded to monitor loss of efficiency.

Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
2
Associate

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Beverly Hills
Posts: 52
Good Answers: 7
#4

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/26/2014 2:08 AM

I have two Boilers. One larger and one smaller than yours. The Factory tells me when and how to tell and what scedual etc.. So it is a mater if the condition and how to know the condition and Time. But As one of the others posted. Everything I just said is useless because the boiler inspector for my county does not care what the factory says. He says when it has to be done. So if you do not have a boiler inspector then ask the factory and they will tell you it is a per hours of use and a condition issue. For example it should be done every two years no mater what. But if it is dirty ( what they often call buildup of minerals and soot and if you go over a certain number of hours before the two years then you have to do it before the two years) And if there is no boiler inspector coming around I would sure want to have things done right for when/if he does. Also A boiler is nothing to fool around with. Treat it with extreme care. Especialy one of that size. I have in my life seen the results of two boiler explosions. In one case there were fatalities. In the other no one can be leave how no one got hurt. the whole end of the thing ( A big cast steel cover with 1 and 1/2 inch bolts every 2 and 1/4 inches all the way around just was blown off stripping most of the threads of most of the bolts and literally tearing the others. Thank god no one was in the very large room it was in. But the amazing thing is that cover is 2 and 1/8 inch thick and 11 feet 4 inches in diameter. When it was blown off it went right through some other hardware in the room and though a brick wall and landed in a very crowded parking lot and did not hit one car or person. The supper heated steam did some interesting things to anything that can not take more than 500 Degrees F. And did so in just a second or so. Oh yea. The parking lot it landed in was almost 400 feet away. I do not recall the exact distance but it was just short of 400 feet. Several folks saw it. flying and land and did not see how it got so high as it was on the end not on the top of the boiler. It could have killed hundreds from blowing them up and like having a train run through part of the building. I always heat mine slow for a few hours and slowly builtd the heat up and never just turn in on and start heating as fast as possible. doing so with metal of that think ness causes dynamic stress on the metal and it will weaken it and it will then blow up. So respect and take care of it. Jim Davison

Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Associate

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: CHELSEA,MA
Posts: 39
#10
In reply to #4

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

08/05/2014 3:54 PM

Thank You for response, State inspector do not need them open till next year and he say they are in really good shape. I am just trying to create extensive PM program for all equipment in building (boilers, chillers, pumps, fans, air handlers, cooling tower etc...)

__________________
ZORANDODO
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Engineering Fields - Retired Engineers / Mentors - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Fans of Old Computers - PDP 11 - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stronger Than The Storm
Posts: 2394
Good Answers: 203
#5

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/26/2014 10:26 AM

According to factory authorized service companies in two different states, unless under extreme conditions such as bad pH, mud etc., once a year is sufficient for cleaning for both fire side and water side. I have verified this with the Cleaver Brooks factory tech personnel and they agree. I have followed this schedule with all boilers and have had good results. Once had to re-tube one of these but that was more of a preventive measure and not mandatory. Several tubes needed replaced and more would the next year.

These included (all CB's) a 1,000hp, several 500hp, a 250hp and a 100hp. Experience and tech personnel both show that keeping control of the pH of the water on the wet side is the most important factor in keeping it clean. Based on our lab results we often added a quart or two of Sodium Hydroxide when needed. The mud on the water side is also controlled by sufficient blow-downs to drain the dirtier water on the bottom out. Many boilers are done once or more a day depending upon the circumstances.

Fire side the biggest factor is complete combustion of the fuel. Look in a boiler that has been fired on #6 or #4 fuel oil and compare it with a #2 or natural gas fired unit. #6 vs. the natural gas is a big difference. Also use clean filters on the fuel lines and water dispersants in the fuel. Fuel is much dirtier than you might think.

Good Luck, Old Salt

__________________
Any day on the green side of the grass is a GREAT DAY!, --- me +++++++++. I believe creativity is an inherent part of everyone. --- Kermit T. Frog
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Active Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Sacramento CA USA
Posts: 24
#6

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/26/2014 2:08 PM

Also Cleaning time is also inspection time. A good inspection and test of metal fatigue is done at that time. Also looking for cracks that have started to form from dynamic stress. I should have added this to the other response I gave but I went a little long on my last post. But still feel all should know the danger of a boiler. I both love boilers for what they can do but respect and fear them for what they can do that you do not want them to do ( Explode) Do a search on boiler explosions. My point is how clean the thing is is also important but the condition of the thing is even more important. Some folks do not warm them slow enough and that causes cracks and cracks cause explosions. Also on shut down it it best to be careful about cooling slowly. Else the metal gets brittle. Mostly on the firebox side but the fire box is also connected to the water side and if it breaks it can explode from high pressure on either end. In short it is worth it to at least inspect but mostly to follow to a T the instructions on heating a cold boiler and the proper shut down. Jim Davison

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#7
In reply to #6

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/26/2014 2:18 PM

You really haven't read the rules and FAQ's have you?

CR4 Rules

Registration with this site is free, but you must abide by the rules and policies described below.

By registering with this site, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, spamming, off-topic, or that otherwise violate any laws.

Any content that violates the Rules or User Guidelines in the CR4 FAQ will be removed. Interpretation of these guidelines is at the discretion of the CR4 moderation team.

  1. Each user is allowed to create one account. One person, one user profile. No exceptions.
Register to Reply Score 1 for Off Topic
2
Commentator

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Central New York
Posts: 84
Good Answers: 4
#8

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/26/2014 9:33 PM

Frequency of inspections, water and fire side is specified by local agencies and your insurance carrier. I would contact your closest C.B. rep and work through them. As has been mentioned many times here, start with the people who made the equipment. While you are at it, talk to the rep about some education on care and feeding of boilers. You DO NOT want to be involved with a catastrophic decompression or a boiler room disturbance.

Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member Engineering Fields - Retired Engineers / Mentors - New Member Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member Fans of Old Computers - PDP 11 - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stronger Than The Storm
Posts: 2394
Good Answers: 203
#9
In reply to #8

Re: Cleaver Brooks Cleaning

07/26/2014 9:55 PM

Always had the regional Cleaver-Brooks service outfit do our servicing other than minor things. They know what to do and how to do it. General maintenance journeymen or boiler operators are not skilled enough to do it. Recommend this to everyone who has a high pressure boiler (over 15 psi).

I'm so old I remember, as a kid, two steam locomotives collide at a vision restricted crossing. One boiler blew! Just like the song says "Scalded to death by the steam"

Good Luck, Old Salt

__________________
Any day on the green side of the grass is a GREAT DAY!, --- me +++++++++. I believe creativity is an inherent part of everyone. --- Kermit T. Frog
Register to Reply
Register to Reply 10 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

bigg (1); cesare (1); jimmyjoejetter (1); lyn (2); old salt (2); SolarEagle (1); walt (1); ZORANDODO (1)

Previous in Forum: Is there a Successful Government Program, Anywhere?   Next in Forum: Ancient Aliens

Advertisement