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Energy Savings in Screw Type Air Compressor

07/28/2014 10:33 AM

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We are having 4 numbers of atlas copco screw type compressor with 1000cfm & 1 number of compressor with 1500 cfm inbuilt dryer. I wanted do some energy saving projects on these mentioned machines. Can any one guide me if you know any projects.

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07/28/2014 11:15 AM

Compressed air is usually considered your fourth utility, after heating fuel, electrical energy, and water. It is not uncommon for compressed air to be the most expensive utility.

This US DOE publication is a pretty good document to review in your quest to improve overall efficiency:

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/tech_assistance/pdfs/compressed_air_sourcebook.pdf

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07/28/2014 1:07 PM

Dear Doorman,

Yes I too agree for your comment, But even to generate air we have spend huge amount of electricity which is nothing but MONEY. But thanks for your artical which will help me in adding some good tricks.

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07/28/2014 8:58 PM

I suggest not to produce air anymore. Last I heard there was lots and lots in the atmosphere.

Here is your plan:

1. switch compressors off

2.watch

3. wait

4. tell the guy that complains first that you only talk to his boss

5. don't talk to the boss because

6. when your boss comes tell him you are busy because the compressors are not running

7. try to survive a week

8. after the week show energy bill to your boss

9. savings accomplished!

Now since we have no idea what your process parameters are we can not guide you more.

You already have these options:

  1. fix all leaks
  2. know your requirements
  3. reduce pressure
  4. reduce run times
  5. switch off at least when not needed
  6. fix all leaks
  7. if more than two compressors run alter the starting times so they dont start together
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07/29/2014 11:59 AM

Ideasmith,

Thanks for your plan. I am here to save energy not to hear your non sense lecturre kindly dont underestimate any ones question funny.

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07/29/2014 12:12 PM

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07/29/2014 6:06 PM

Did you buy the most efficient compressors you could find, or the cheapest compressors you could find?

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07/29/2014 8:44 PM

Compressor efficiency?

....can......of......worms......

I had it put the best by an old engineer who had seen it all. "If you are marooned on a desert island with a compressed air salesman and an alligator and have a pistol with one bullet in it, "SHOOT THE SALESMAN!"

They all suck. Maybe some a little less than the other.

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07/29/2014 9:07 PM

Of course they all suck. They have to suck before they can blow.

The point was, did the OP buy the cheapest compressor and now hope to wring more savings out of it with some "projects".

Compressed air powered tools are very inefficient by 4:1 compared to electrically powered tools. Not to mention losses due to leaks.

The purchase of only one compressor with a dryer is very telling. Unless wet air is not a concern.

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07/29/2014 9:49 PM

I can see how they got a 5th compressor:

"Hey, Phred! The plant is low on air. The pressure is always low. Get Bubba to call his buddy the compressor salesman to get us a price on another compressor!..."

Bubba gets a price on a compressor that they have in stock with the extra adder of an air dryer. For cheap. "why do we need an air dryer?" "I dunno. But the salesman says we will get less water in the air and he says that's good."

Unh-hunh.

I used to think a certain massive European manufacturer of compressors (and all sorts of other air stuff) made very good stuff until our Bubba equivalent bought us a 50 or 75 hp (I forget which) oil flooded screw compressor for a wood products plant. Engineered to the nth degree? Yup. Efficient? Maybe. Compact? Yup. Easy to maintain? No. Cheap? No. Quiet? Yup.

It ran well for about 10 minutes until its over-engineered air cooling fins got one fly shzt worth of fouling on them and promptly overheated. Took a day to disassemble all the sheet metal enough to get someone into there to pressure wash it clean. Didn't take long to toss all the sheet metal away and make it so it cold be cleaned easily. Not quiet anymore, but who gives a crap? This is an industrial plant.

Found out the screw was geared up from the normal 1800 rpm to 4000 rpm so they could build a smaller screw to do the same job. Yup. Over engineered. Ran about 1/3 as long as the other screws that tick over at 1800 and don't overheat.

Shoot the salesman!

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07/29/2014 10:05 PM

Shoot the fool who let the salesman talk him into buying something he didn't need.

OP, did you purchase these compressors?

The OP apparently doesn't utilize available sources and chooses to ask strangers who know nothing specific about what he's doing for advice. A look at his past questions will tell you that.

It's difficult to help him.

I wonder what Atlas Copco has told him about projects?

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07/30/2014 9:23 PM

Which one of the 7 points did not suit you?

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07/30/2014 10:22 PM

I vote for 1. know your requirements.

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08/01/2014 3:14 AM

Touche!

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07/28/2014 12:05 PM

I would go through the facility putting right any leaks before doing anything else, Mildred.

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07/28/2014 1:09 PM

Yes crabtree.

You are right arresting the leakage is prime source.

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07/28/2014 2:37 PM

Well? Have you done it yet?

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07/28/2014 2:35 PM

First the standard factory output pressure. If you don't need that high of a pressure lower it. There will be about a 5% savings for every 10 psi you can drop it. Will also increase the life of the compressor.

Reclaim the heat for winter. I have no idea of how your after cooler is vented but venting it indoors during the heating months will save energy on heating.

Rethink your usage. Where electric motor can be used do so. It takes 7 to 8 hp motor to generate air to run a 1 hp air motor continuously.

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07/29/2014 12:00 PM

Thanks Ozzb

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07/28/2014 10:42 PM

For a start I'm going with everyone else, stop any leaks.

We did have an over capacity for air, so when not needed compressors shut down and restarted in rotation. Loading was also cyclic to even out wear.

By pure good luck we acquired two 2nd hand units ½ half the capacity of the original units. (It helps when you buyout your competitor.) These operated only when the main units were cutting in and out on a regular basis. Basically to keep what was running as near to full load as possible.

The PLC program to manage them was a bit tricky. But I enjoyed writing it.

All in all the modifications saved several £K per week.

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07/28/2014 11:09 PM

BEE gives clear guidelines and check points to conserve energy in various utilities in industry and I suggest follow those guidelines and get benefit. Of course readers have given their views and they are largely in line with those guidelines.

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07/28/2014 11:33 PM

Hi,

There are lots of things you can do with compressors to save energy, especially with the volume of air you are compressing.

The US DOE have lots of information on the things you can do, (I seem to remember they had something called the "compressed air challenge" at one time) and there are consultants who can visit your site and provide reports on what you can specifically address in your plant.

In general, there are a hierarchy of energy savings you can look at, and other than addressing the big ones, you need to look at both the compressors (supply side) and the users (demand side) as a unit and develop a plan to deal with both sides of the equation.

The very first thing and the biggest energy saver in the compressor house is to take a close look at your compressors and see if they have "modulating controllers" on each compressor. If they do, they need to be taken off and thrown as far away as you can.

Why is this so? It is because screw compressors are most efficient at running full load. At part load, the horsepower per CFM increases enormously, and some compressors will pull 60% of full load hp when completely throttled off. So you need to need to convert your compressors to 3 stage operation: (1) Full load, (2) throttled off with the oil separator receiver blown down, or (3) turned off.

Then, you need a centralized controller that controls all 5 compressors in an organized way so that you are using the minimum number of compressors to service the plant load, controlling the supply pressure to the plant between a max and min pressure setting.

That's just one step in many you can take to minimize compressed air cost. As someone else suggested, lowering the plant pressure is a good one to consider, but that is a difficult topic and the best way to do this is utilize a demand controller so you can inch the plant pressure down without the production guys noticing. A demand controller is a whole different level of control on the compressor house and is the next level of sophistication in your compressor house.

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07/29/2014 3:21 AM

PLEASE MENTION FURTHER DETAILS LIKE-RATED PRESSURE, OPERATING USER END PRESSURE, LOAD/UNLOADING TIME AND PRESSURE, NO OF HOURS OF OPERATION/YEAR.

FURTHER, IS IT THAT YOU HAVE 4 X 1000 cfm COMPRESSORS? iF SO HOW MANY OPERATE AND HOW MANY STANDBY. PLEASE ALSO MENTION AMBIENT TEMPERATURE, TEMPERATURE OF SUCTION AIR, ALTUITUDE, LOCATION IF PSOSSIBLE.

IS ONE DRYER OF 15000 cfm COMMON, WHAT TYPE OF DRYER IT IS

WE CAN ARRIVE AT MANY OPPORTUNITIES

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07/29/2014 5:13 AM

Helo friend..

I can suggest following

1: Remove all leaks. In practice major cause of wastage is through this leak only. It says that 30% energy is lost due to leak.

2: Reduce the pressure. Normally people set the compressor for its normal working pressure- even it is not required. Check the system requirement and re-set your composer for optimum pressure. More pressure means more leakage, more current by motor.

3: Minimise pneumatic tools.

4: Provide an automatic load/unloader mechanism

5: Provide a VFD ( Variable frequency drives). u can find a good saving.

6: Make a good maintenance schedule and allocate best technicians

7: Ensure a clean intake

8: Train / motivate all employs about energy conservation. Involve them for this.

9: Check the rating of your motor and optimise the HP rating. Sometime u may be using a motor having bigger capacity compared to what actually required.

10: Devide and schedule the load as far as possible.

11: Check whether u are running a compressor having capacity that not required at all. ( Say u need an air of 50CFM with 6Kg/cm2 , but running a compressor having capacity of 200cfm and 12Kg/cm2 )

12: Finally derive a method to measure your saving.

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07/29/2014 7:00 AM

A lot of good suggestions have been mentioned already.

  1. Convert one compressor to "variable speed compressor" that will take care of variable plant load will save a lot of energy. Other compressors will take care of base load.
  2. Please check for motor efficiency. If the motors are old and do not mention motor efficiency, then replace the motors. The cost of motors will be recovered within a year.
  3. Hire a good energy consultant who will identify all the opportunities by studying all the parameters related to compressed air generation as well as utilization. This will help in a great way. Normally plant people would not have time as well as expertise for going after such a comprehensive project.
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07/30/2014 10:03 AM

Dear sir,

Thanks for your kind response and time. If you know any energy consultant in Karnatka state india can you please give the detail.

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07/31/2014 12:15 AM

Contact Devki consultants, Baroda. They are the best and I have personal experience in this regard. Even Atlas Copco would guide you about the variable speed compressors. We saved abour 30% after a study showed high percentage of "Unload" running of one compressor

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07/29/2014 9:07 AM

If I remember correctly the Atlas Copco compressors are the modulating type. This means that the motors tend to slow down when the demand goes down. They don't switch off.

Observe the operation and if this is happening frequently, you may be able to switch off one unit all together, or set it at a pressure level where it comes on only at peak demand times.

How are you using a 1500 cfm drier with 4000 cfm compressors? The moisture removal becomes meaningless. You could switch this off, or get a larger capacity of air drier.

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07/30/2014 1:42 PM

How about adding additional air receivers (tanks). More storage equals less loading/unloading cycles and may allow your compressor to shut off (not just unload) for periods. Helps smooth demand.

We have an ejector that uses a large volume of air in a burst about every 15 minutes. We throttled the inlet to the receiver so that three compressors don't load up and fill it right away. We let one compressor slowly fill it. As long as it fills within 15 minutes, were fine.

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07/31/2014 6:26 AM

Screw type compressors do not require receivers. I believe this is because the compressors are modulating type, and the output is smooth ( as compared to piston types.)

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07/31/2014 11:18 AM

I'm afraid you have swallowed the salesmen's bs hook, line and sinker. Maybe for one compressor in a little garage-type application but that's about it.

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08/02/2014 4:11 AM

If the consumption is Fluctuating ( both in terms of pressure and flow), it is required to give a receiver. This is must for energy saving point of view also. Isn't it?

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08/04/2014 4:33 AM

No, I think you are wrong.

The output of air is constant,because it is a screw type compressor, and as it is a modulating type, the flow will increase or decrease as per the demand.

A receiver is necessary in reciprocating type of compressors as the output fluctuates.(sinusoidal)

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