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Acceptable DC +/- terminal to Earth voltages

07/03/2007 1:30 AM

Dear Sir,

Our control system is powered by DC 110 & 24 V systems (without earhting the negative terminals). But it always shows some voltage between negative/positive terminals and earth.

What could be the reason for this?

What are the acceptable voltages between earth and + /- terminals with the presence of electronic equipments?

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Re: Acceptable DC +/- terminal to Earth voltages

07/03/2007 4:06 AM

Could it be as a result of induction in one circuit caused by the alternating current in the other - the two behaving a bit like a transformer, maybe?

Digital voltmeters have a very high input impedance and give a read-out to many figures; people believe in the least significant digit. Try measuring again with something a bit more traditional, like moving iron/coil analog meters with a lower input impedance. What is the difference?

What is the effect of temporarily earthing one of the two circuits?

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Re: Acceptable DC +/- terminal to Earth voltages

07/04/2007 6:29 AM

Exactly what I was going to comment:

Stray Voltages

Very High Input Impedance of DVM

No reference to Earth Zero

DVM will show null when you touch the -ve to Earth- 24DC or 110V~

Please Confirm they DO.

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Re: Acceptable DC +/- terminal to Earth voltages

07/03/2007 10:50 PM

Is it possible that you are using a chassis ground as part of your return or DC -? Have seen some larger applications not using an isolated DC done that way. Or maybe I am thinking of something else entirely.

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Re: Acceptable DC +/- terminal to Earth voltages

07/04/2007 5:11 AM

1. You didn`t tell us wether it is a DC or AC voltage. A little AC may be normal - it is dependant on how the 110V and 24V are primarily generated.

2. You didn`t tell us at which impedance this unwanted voltage breaks down. Can it be heavy loaded maybe there is a short circuit anywhere. If its only a high impedance voltage it may be an electrolytic effect (if DC).

3. Another idea is that one (or some) of your components are "working together" with your 110V unit AND your 24V unit and so make a bypass - not on the supply side but on the load side.
Regards Uwe

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Re: Acceptable DC +/- terminal to Earth voltages

07/04/2007 10:28 PM

Also, sometimes the voltages are shown on DMM are not useful (for lack of a better word). If you hook up a load across it or use an older meter (with needle movement), these voltages may go away. This is common in systems without a common ground.

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