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Motor Solo Run Test on Diesel GenSet

10/21/2014 4:14 PM

Hi all,

This is my first post. I am working as electrical design engineer, currently at site and here we have following situation.

Due to some reasons, our owner is not giving power to energize the switchgear, MCCs and has asked us to carry the 4 hours solo run (no load) test of motors powered from DEG. Now, I am calculating DEG size for following priority loads to be tested at no load.

2 Nos. 75kW, 2 Nos. 30kW and 2 Nos. 37kW Motor (all 4 poles)

I understand that Motor No load active power is very less, due to poor no load power factor e.g. PF = 0.2, but reactive power will be high. Also, for 75kW large motor starting, considering 6 times starting current and low starting power factor e.g. 0.2, starting vars will be very high.

As per my calculation, total active power required = 126kW and Reactive Power =617kVAr. Hence, overall load factor to be very low i.e. 0.2 again.

Now, I have question here.

1) Whether to select DEG with 750kVA with 0.8, power factor so that Generator will provide reactive power = 750 X 0.6 = 450kVAr X 1.5 = 675kVAr, considering 150% overload capability for 30sec.

2) Whether DEG with smaller size can be selected considering Generator can provide overload capability higher than 150% for duration less than 30 sec. I understand that motor starting time at no load will be very low i.e. <1 sec for LV Motor.

3) Or whether I have to select DEG which can operate at very low power factor. e.g. 500kVA with power factor 0.5 and whether such Gensets will be available easily for renting.

Appreciate your help to solve the issue.

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10/21/2014 7:58 PM
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10/22/2014 12:28 PM

Dear Lyn,

I checked the links provided by you and understand that it provides the DEG rating required when 3 Phase motor has to be started DOL on genset.

However, my real worry is that we want to use the DEG for no load run for 4 hours continuously. During this period, power factor of motor will be very poor like 0.2 to 0.3.

Hence, even after large motor starting, Generator will still have low power factor load i.e. high reactive power requirement.

Now, if we select Generator with small rating and PF=0.8, it may not be able to satisfy VAR requirement. Then, I understand that either we have to select small generator with wide power factor range or large generator with 0.8 power factor. Then, I may be required to check the relay settings so that it will not trip in low PF region.

Please confirm my understanding is correct or not.

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06/20/2023 8:24 AM

The starting current for a motor is the same irrespective as to whether or not it is connected to a load.

The load determines how fast the motor accelerates up to full speed.

The requirement needs to be discussed with <...DEG...> suppliers and rental agencies. After all, these people are in a position to provide commercial warranty that the selected equipment is suitable for the requirement at the point of purchase order placement, which is something that this forum cannot do.

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10/22/2014 12:54 PM

How will you be starting the motors? One at a time? Step starting will reduce the starting current significantly such that with no load on motors, the load can be sized at total RLA+ starting current for largest motor...I don't know why you would want to start all the motors at once...How are the motors started?

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10/22/2014 2:55 PM

No load trial run of the motors on DG set means the DG will be working at low load <30% for extended periods (>4hrs in your case). This can cause exceesive carbonisation in the engine cylinders and troubles associated with it.

It could be helpful if you could find a low kW rated DG set but generator rated at low power factor so that large VARs and low kW requirements can be met without sacrificing the engine health.

But, it could be a challenge to get such a DG set readily in the market.

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10/22/2014 3:52 PM

You should talk to the genset people.

You could always put a resistive load on the gensets to keep them running in the proper range.

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10/22/2014 11:32 PM

I would have to agree the proper way to test these is with a load bank...

http://www.steadypower.com/pages.php?pageid=63

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