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Oxygen Plant Production

01/17/2015 12:57 AM

i just got a job in an oxygen plant, were they produce oxygen as there plant engineer and I would like to know all the process involved in the production of oxygen ........starting from the compressor to the cold box. Also the use of the joule thompson's valve ( R1,R2,R3,R4). How those the expansion engine works...... Thanks ....waiting for your reply N.B.....HOW DO A GET A MANUAL FOR AN AUTOMATED OXYGEN AND NITROGEN PLANT

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01/17/2015 1:01 AM

Try Googling "Linde column".

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01/17/2015 4:28 AM

Unless you are the janitor, groundskeeper or company cook the odds are they will train you on every detail of what is involved at your job.

However if you are one of these don't worry about it. It's above your pay scale.

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01/17/2015 5:23 AM

The chief engineer has it all manual on his desk. Demand to give some to you.

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01/17/2015 9:18 AM

I'd like to know how you got a job as a "plant engineer", not knowing:

1 - Any of this information you ask for.

2 - How to spell.

3 - How to use capitalization and punctuation.

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01/17/2015 9:27 AM

It runs in the family. His uncle hired him.

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01/17/2015 11:30 AM

Actually in this day and age its not hard to get a job in a field you know nothing about.

I'm an Electronics Technician for a fraccing company and the day I was hired I knew zero about the fraccing industry let alone any of the machinery electrical electronics or systems that they used and I never lied once to get the job.

Now 9 months later I am considered damn good at my job by my coworkers.

All you need to do to get a good job you are unqualified for is to be in the right place at the right time when someone else, who is in a management position, is under qualified for their job is way in over their head and be honest that condition right there is pretty common.

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01/17/2015 1:53 PM

It the OP's case it was nepotism.

In your case it was desperation.

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01/17/2015 8:37 PM

Hey now if it wasn't for being in the wrong place at the wrong time when someone is desperate to hire anyone I would probably never get a job.

Who knew I would end up being good at it and liking it at the same time.

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01/21/2015 5:21 PM

I hoped you would not say ..."nepotism"...."despotism".

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01/17/2015 2:57 PM

Actually, every position that I successfully applied for was in a field that I had no previous experience with. I got the jobs because I was able to demonstrate that I was willing and able to learn, and apply my past experience and knowledge to a different application.

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01/18/2015 5:57 AM

I have never applied for or taken a job that I could do competently. I have always gone for jobs that would stretch me, motivate me and make me a better engineer/designer/manager/consultant/company owner. The trick is to learn how to do the job before anybody finds out that you can't and throws you out. In most companies that is a few months, but the less competent your manager is the longer you've got to get through the learning curve. That requires you to know what the job needs and to have confidence in your own ability to master it in the time frame available. Looking back from retirement at my CV, it reads like a much more structured and organized progressive career path than it was at the time.

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01/20/2015 5:47 PM

Please tell me this plant is "not in my back yard". -- JHF (It's all about the 'BOOM'". -- Myth Busters.

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01/18/2015 10:37 AM

There's a nice garage/backyard liquid nitrogen generator at "instructables.com" that might give you some insight.

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01/18/2015 11:16 PM

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1. Get manufacturer and catalog number for the various components and then search on-line for manuals. This will be slow and will frequently give you something you won't need.

2. Get your hands on the process prints for the plant and learn them.

3. Be humble and ask questions--dumb questions are a lot safer than dumb mistakes or disasters.

4. Since these plants use atmospheric air for their feed stock, they are treating this air as a refrigerant gas. Compress it, cool it, and let it expand--producing liquid. Learn the boiling points (temperatures) of Carbon Dioxide, Argon, Oxygen, and Nitrogen. This is basic information that you can then add to. If you don't understand the principles of refrigeration, get a good textbook on that and read the appropriate chapters.

5. Don't EVER assume you know it all.

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01/21/2015 5:28 PM

I would only add to that to find out who the OEM for the plant is, and contact them for a new/complete set of information.

I think some plants also use PSA (pressure-swing absorption) (or possibly membrane plant?) to separate the oxygen prior to chilling and condensing, as this may reduce overall energy/power requirements. Obviously, the lower pressure required for separation reduces overall compression power needed, and results in a clean product with few hiccups such as water ingress, formation of CO2 liquid, etc.

Some plants will have a market for whatever produce is produced, and as such will not necessarily separate the gases first, but then they are stuck with fractional distillation I suppose.

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