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Ditch It or Defend It?

Posted October 30, 2010 7:55 AM

The biodegradable SunChips bags billed as 100% compostable have proven too noisy for consumers, so Frito Lay Company is returning to quieter packaging that can't be recycled. Should the company have bagged the SunChips sustainable bag? With sales down since its introduction and Web pages for and against — should they have stood on environmental principles and waited for consumers to adapt?

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10/30/2010 10:43 PM

In PR there is no such thing as bad news.

Very clever move. Time for a bonus.

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10/31/2010 10:48 AM

Those bags are loud! The entire thing is a marketing ploy....How much smaller are landfills going to be because SunChip bags are biodegradable?

Maybe they could include a set of noise cancelling headphones in every bag. It would raise the price to $20, but it would be worth it to know that we are saving the planet.

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10/31/2010 11:27 AM

Conversely, they could put large bins in the stores, offer the biodegradable bags, regular bags with a fee included, or customers can bring and fill their own. (green garbage bags? )

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10/31/2010 12:19 PM

There are definitely a hell of a lot of things out there that could easily be sold with no packaging at all. What a concept. How about eliminating all of those plastic packages that you can't even get open without gashing your hand open with a kitchen knife during the attempt? Like the packaging for a memory card that's the size of a phone book. I don't think anyone would argue. If they are worried about theft, just lock them up.

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11/01/2010 12:57 PM

should they have stood on environmental principles and waited for consumers to adapt?

What environmental "principles" are involved here? Words have meaning and the word principle overstates the issue.

Maybe they should just use different materials that are still biodegradeable, but not noisy.

The consumers did adapt. They went else where for their products. That's how we do it, we vote with our wallets and if Frito Lay wants to regain/retain customers they can adapt. The consumer always drives the market. Remember NEW COKE? The company adapted and scrapped the formula.

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11/01/2010 1:26 PM

Contained within this blog is a pretty good description of the difference between principles and values.

to wit:

I probably have a dozen dictionaries and most differ in their definitions on many things. I enjoy my Black's Law Dictionary and here is how a principle is defined in it: "Principle, A fundamental Truth or Doctrine as of Law. A comprehensive or doctrine which furnishes a basis for legal determination. A Truth or proposition so clear that it cannot be proved or contradicted, unless by a proposition which is still clearer."

Furthermore, in Black's Law Dictionary, the word, "value" is described as follows: " The utility of an object in satisfying directly or indirectly, the needs or desires of human beings, called by economist, "value in use" or its WORTH consisting in the power of purchasing other objects called, "value in exchange."

So there you have it. Value is what a human being considers worth at any given time in his desires and needs whereas a principle is based upon a fundamental truth of Universal Law.

Accordingly, ones values by their nature fluctuate and change, whereas, principles are undeviating and immutable and never change. The law of gravity is a principle; it never changes, regardless of one's value judgments of needs or desires.

While I disagree with some of her politics, she is a clear and concise author, with deep understanding of some things.

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11/11/2010 4:19 PM

Yes, it is loud. You can't sneak a snack. But I enjoyed the chips better knowing that this bag would compost. I am sorry to learn of their demise. Good try, Frito-Lay. Don't give up.

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