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This Is China's Secret Stealth Strike Fighter

Posted December 28, 2010 8:46 AM

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Unlike their Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark—a copy of the Russian Sukhoi Su-33—the new Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter seems to be a copy of the American stealth fighters, with some lambda wings attached. It was secret. Not anymore.

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12/29/2010 12:52 AM

Looks to me like a cross between the F-22A and F-35....secrets about both aircraft were stolen by the Chinese.

When will we ever learn to "play our cards close"?

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12/29/2010 10:58 AM

We learned to play our cards close on 7 December, 1941.

The segment of Americans who remember the lesson seems to grow smaller with every election cycle. We may be doomed to another lesson. Sometimes,

our problem is obvious to our world neighbors.

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12/29/2010 11:32 AM

Don't know about "sometimes" because someone will put it on the internet for the glory of "breaking news", the "right to know", or to make a quick buck (and not think twice about what they are revealing).

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12/29/2010 11:50 AM

Exactly right!

Someone who releases sensitive information on the internet for the glories you describe has forgotten (or was never taught) the hard lessons learned at such a great expense.

An elderly fellow, WWII vet, and I were discussing just this topic a week ago. "We're goin' to hell in a goddam hand-basket, that's fer sure." he opined. He has not forgotten the lesson.

I guess I have forgotten the thread... are we discussing the plane, or the apparent information seive that has made it possible?

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12/29/2010 2:12 PM

This very 'freedom or free enterprise' dichotomy is why I posted this

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12/29/2010 3:31 PM

In the case of the F-35, it was planned from the beginning to be an international fighter, i.e., there are a number of countries participating in its development and they will have access to it once it is in full production. Some of the countries involved are Turkey, Italy, the U.K., The Netherlands, Canada, Denmark and Norway. The overall design has been more-or-less public domain info for a long time.

So it would be impractical to think the U.S. could keep its design 'secret'.

To some extent that is true with the F-22 also, since the original competition involved a fly-before-you-buy requirement. Some aspects of the competing designs were also public info.

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12/30/2010 11:03 AM

USBport, you're quite correct in your assertion that the designs of the F-22 and F-35 have been made available in the public domain for some time now. Yes, it's fairly easy to copy the aerodynamic shape of either airframe by photographic means and reverse engineering it.

What I have issue with the Chinese is their ability to have stolen, copied, and yes, reverse engineered the "Black Box" avionics technology, the RAM technology, and the "Stealth" technology incorporated within the design of both aircraft. All of this technology is classified and has taken time to develop by our military and defense contractors. That, and it's development has cost the US Taxpayer hundreds of Millions of US Dollars. Now the Chinese Communists have circumvented an entire technological generation lead and appear to have caught up to us (or are closely lagging behind).

In closing, it's too bad (and a huge mistake) that the US Congress has put the brakes the much needed USAF F-22 Raptor production. We mustn't forget that our F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 fleets are growing older by the day. The F-15 program is the oldest (the F-15E program being the youngest having been introduced/rushed into the USAF service in '90 during Desert Shield), and it's base technology is quickly approaching 40 year mark (even though there have been continual upgrades over the life of the program), having been introduced into the USAF in '72. It, the F-15, needs an eventual replacement very soon, thus we're going to need the F-22 Raptor in greater numbers then what has been earmarked by the Congress. Additionally, we'll need to continually develop upgrades throughout it's service life to counter greater and greater future air threats, especially from the Chinese AF and navy. Also, let us not forget that the Chinese have copied our F-16 airframe and it's avionics suite to develop a fully capable fighter/fighter bomber produced in great numbers that must be countered as well.

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