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Tesla[']s on Fire

Posted December 04, 2013 8:50 AM by HUSH
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There is a scene in the 1999 movie Fight Club--a cult classic and personal favorite--where the protagonist describes his work to an acquaintance with the use of a hypothetical.

"I was a recall coordinator; my job was to apply the formula. A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 miles per hour-the rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field: A, and multiply it by the probable rate of failure: B. Then multiply the result by the average out-of-court settlement: C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

The bewildered acquaintance asks, "Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?"

"You wouldn't believe."

It might seem like a page of Hollywood fiction, but recall coordinators are real employees who account for such variables when a product fails due to manufacturing defects. Of course, also in the equation is a healthy dose of public relations, and occasionally genuine benevolence for the manufacturer to do what's right.

Well, somewhere amongst these considerations is Elon Musk and his perspective that the Tesla Model S's recent plague of electrical fires is insignificant, and not a result of the manufacturing techniques used on the world's most popular all-electric car.

The first Model S fire occurred on October 1 when debris from a semi-trailer was struck by the vehicle and resulted in a punctured battery pack. The driver was able to pull over, exit the vehicle, and call for help. Fire crews had trouble snuffing the blaze, eventually being forced to roll the vehicle over to access the battery with a dry extinguisher. Two more Model S fires would occur in the following weeks. One after the driver crashed the car through a wall and into a tree in Mexico, and another after a Tennessee driver also struck roadway rubbish that resulted in a smoldering battery.

Previously, I've been supportive of Tesla's efforts to develop the first sustainable electric plug-in vehicle, as well as Musk as a visionary for providing creative concepts to taxing problems. But it seems that Musk has been doing his best to salvage Tesla's reputation, rather than address what may be a very serious issue with his company's product.

On November 18, one day before the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced they had begun a preliminary investigation into the Tesla fires, Musk composed a blog entry which compared the fire risks of gasoline cars with those of the Model S. He takes advantage of unrefined statistics to support his argument that auto fires are four times more likely in a gasoline auto than in a Model S. He notes that since Model S production began, there have been more than 250,000 gasoline car fires, but only three Model S fires.

However, Musk uses an extraordinarily large sample size in his persuasive email: all gasoline cars vs. the Model S. Ideally, cars-both electric and hybrid-do not spontaneously combust. Instead, according to Kevin Bullis, an editor for MIT Technology Review, we need to look at the sample size of vehicle fires which result from collision or impact.

One vehicle from every 32,603 collisions catches fire, yet according to current models one in every 6,333 Teslas will catch fire. The unfortunate nature of the large-sized lithium ion batteries used in the Model S make it inherently dangerous for what is known as thermal runaway. Electric-vehicle (EV) batteries are composed of thousands of cells which contain a flammable electrolyte. When the battery pack is damaged and causes short circuits, electrodes can heat the electrolyte solution until it ignites. While Tesla has designed a cooling system to prevent a single flaming battery cell from igniting the rest of the battery, they don't exactly have the century of experience as do gasoline auto manufacturers. It took many years of evaluation, structural engineering tests, and material science innovations before gasoline car manufacturers could limit collision fires to one in every 32,603. Just about everyone knows the story of the Ford Pinto, right?

So, it's not to say that a new car with innovative technology won't experience an engineering hiccup. But when the manufacturer acknowledges a problem, like Tesla did when altering its warranty to cover battery fires, and then the face of the company argues that his brand new technology is safer than existing technologies without the evidence to back it up, it borders on corporate negligence. Musk's and Tesla's legacy may very well be defined by the NHTSA report on just how safe the Model S's battery packs are.

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12/04/2013 9:27 AM

This article is unfair in it's comparison, these were freak accidents....Steel pipe road debris that just happen to be run over.....and just happen to pierce a 1/4" aluminum plate on the bottom of the vehicle....weird is what it is.....With a gasoline tank the results might have been catastrophic!! You can't take a ride down the interstate for very long without seeing a vehicle on the side of the road on fire....why is there nothing ever said about these???

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12/04/2013 11:06 PM

That scene with the Pinto exploding was clearly staged, and I suspect the fuel tank was not the only explosive involved.

I just had my first ride in a Tesla about a week ago. If I had that much money on hand, I go buy one tomorrow!

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Re: Tesla[']s on Fire

12/04/2013 11:25 PM

Apples and oranges: The author has shorted his Tesla stock.

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12/05/2013 9:08 AM

The authors brain is on fire. Every product has risks. Do you know how many people die or have catastrophic health consequences as a result of mining, moving and burning coal and petroleum to create energy? Only a simpleton could envision a world of convenience without risk, and condemn the process of identifying risk versus reward. People make choices based on thier tolerance for risk and desire for pleasure. I have seen nothing that convinces me not to buy one, except the price.

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Re: Tesla[']s on Fire

12/05/2013 10:15 AM

Greetings.

I would suspect that the competition somehow are behind this to discredit the Amazing Tesla.

Remember the Kaiser, the Fraser, the Henry J, the Tucker, the Avanti, the Silver Hawk, the Golden Hawk, the King Midget, Duesenberg, Cord, Packard, Pierce Arrow, etc.

There were a bunch of vehicles that were far ahead of the competition and had great features and quality that vehicles to this day don't have.

Regulations?

The Love of Money is the Root of all Evil.

Follow the Money Trail and you will find who or what is pushing this.

Doesn't the Federal Government own a part of the auto industry?

Who makes the regulations?

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12/05/2013 10:59 AM

The one thing the author does not evaluate is the impact of the fire. In a gasoline vehicle the fire can be almost explosive, endangering the life of the occupants and any first responders. I have seen the results of gasoline fires in automobiles. The first description he gives of a fire in the battery due to road debri certainly did not sound like an explosion. It sounded as if the occupants of the Tesla got out of the vehicle and the first responders arrived before the fire got going too bad. Then they made a decision to overturn the automobile and put out the fire. That is a much slower fire than any would be in a gasoline powered car. For safety, I would rather have the electric car. Once we have enough electric cars on the road, then some additional safety developments might come about, but right now, I think electric cars are safer. But then as an EE, I trust electricity more than flamable gas or liquids, which I think are a stupid idea. Kinda like carrying some nitro around in your back pocket.

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12/08/2013 7:06 PM

'....Kinda like carrying some nitro around in your back pocket...'

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Nitro? Do you mean nitrocellulose? Why would carrying ping pong balls in your back pocket be notably stupid?

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Perhaps your meant nitrous oxide... laughing gas? Probably not too harmful in your back pocket.... it has to get into your lungs and even then....

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Oh! You probably mean nitroglycerine; glyceryl trinitrate. Some people (those with acute angina or impending heart failure) would say it would be stupid for them not to have some nitro on them.

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Now about this distrust of flammable liquids... is it safe to assume you are some sort of teetotaler?

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01/05/2014 10:58 AM

Three Tesla Model S fires are a plague? I suppose you think that three coworkers in your office coming down with the flu is an epidemic?

Then you play percentage games since the hard numbers are insignificant?

Then you add an obviously staged Ford Pinto comparison?

Keep up the sensationalism and maybe you'll win some eyeballs for a while. But you won't dupe the public for long and your reputation will banish you back to the basement.

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