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Space Trail: Newsletter Challenge (July 2014)

Posted June 30, 2014 12:00 AM
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This month's Challenge Question: Specs & Techs from GlobalSpec:

The path that a spacecraft follows when traveling to the moon is a distorted figure eight, instead of an ellipse surrounding the earth and the moon. Why is this?

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The reason is energy-saving. The figure eight path allows the spacecraft to remain almost equidistant from the centers of the earth and the moon. At this path the gravitational pull of the earth and of the moon attract the ship in opposite directions, so the net force exerted on the craft is minimized, and it is certainly smaller than the force exerted on an elliptical path.

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06/30/2014 12:05 AM

Choice, for speed and/or less energy consumption.

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Re: Space Trail: Newsletter Challenge (July 2014)

06/30/2014 12:28 AM

Vector calculation.

Also makes return to Earth more easy.

Makes the pass on the Moon closer.

Where is the gravity centre of Earth/Moon constellation? How dynamic is that centre?

I'd go because it is not possible to run on that ellipse. And it would not make sense after all.

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Re: Space Trail: Newsletter Challenge (July 2014)

07/01/2014 1:37 PM

Before you just put that OT, how about telling me where I did not try to answer the question?

If it was wrong then let me and the others know.

WTH?

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Re: Space Trail: Newsletter Challenge (July 2014)

06/30/2014 4:15 AM

Not sure but I think it is to take the craft through the lagrangian point where the craft moves from the earths gravity field into the moons gravity field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point

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06/30/2014 8:54 AM
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Re: Space Trail: Newsletter Challenge (July 2014)

06/30/2014 10:57 AM

Such a trajectory allows the vehicle to return to Earth without using fuel.

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06/30/2014 8:07 PM

It's because the Figure 8 orbit is a least-energy orbit.

The diagram below shows 2 possible orbits that get a spacecraft from Earth to the Moon. Orbit #1, which yields the Figure 8, requires less energy than Orbit #2.

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06/30/2014 10:11 PM

Just a couple other comments to this: Orbit #1 can (obviously) be tweaked to provide the 'free return' to Earth, in case an abort is needed; but so can orbit #2. Orbit #2 also yields a higher speed when the spacecraft hits the atmosphere, which is more dangerous. So #1 is the natural choice.

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Re: Space Trail: Newsletter Challenge (July 2014)

07/01/2014 2:00 AM

Dear CR4 colleges, I request your excuse in advance for any mistake in my knowledge.
The space craft tragectory around the Earth's orbit (West -East) is first to be stabilized from eliptical to circular motion. Again elliptical trajectory needed for jettisoning the payload on to the Moon's orbit. Now this elliptical motion with foci as Earth and Moon, the space craft trajectory makes "distorted figure EIGHT" (the motion of the space craft around moon is opposite of the direction around earth).

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07/01/2014 6:05 AM

Because if it were the other way and be ellipse like, you would get a gravity sling shot effect. This would then require a large fuel burn to bring the craft into orbital velocity for the moon and cancel out what could/would otherwise be a huge elliptical out into far space before returning to earth,

The figure of eight way causes (at the moon for example) the tangential velocity around the moon to more or less equal and opposite to the velocity of the moon itself around earth and so be near zero for the craft in relation to earth. This means that thatat the half way mark the craft is "stopped" in space relative to earth, and ready to return (with or without going into orbit around the moon, rather than being flung into an even faster velocity approximately tangential to earth and requiring a massive fuel burn to turn things around,

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07/01/2014 3:01 PM

I agree, it's to prevent slingshot effect thereby preserving fuel.

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07/01/2014 9:02 AM

And on the other hand, NASA had insisted for years that it was required to take three days to rendezvous with the ISS and now we do it in 6 hours, so maybe this isn't as cut and dried as one might think.

Just saying.....

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07/01/2014 10:19 AM

Another reason: Transfer to lunar orbit is on this side of the moon, not the far side where communication is lost.

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07/05/2014 11:12 AM

follows the lowest gravityfield

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07/05/2014 11:16 AM

rounds the moon clockwise or anticlockwise?

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07/15/2014 2:41 PM

"rounds the moon clockwise or anticlockwise?"

That sort of depends on your observational frame of reference.

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08/10/2014 1:22 AM

Too!

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07/09/2014 12:13 PM

Gravity Assist to take advantage of the large mass of the earth as well as the moon as compared to a spacecraft.

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07/22/2014 5:07 PM

"The figure eight path allows the spacecraft to remain almost equidistant from the centers of the earth and the moon."

To 'remain' equidistant from the centers of the Earth and the Moon?

You gotta be kidding.

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07/22/2014 5:57 PM

Agreed.

Provided answer is nonsense.

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07/22/2014 10:13 PM

Half of last month's 'correct answer' was flat wrong. The 'correct answer' to that buoyancy CQ sometime back was a flight of fantasy. There've been a bunch, but the 'correct answer' to this month's CQ surely wins the Governor's Prize for The Most Nonsensical Answer On Record. Take a look at it: it is complete and utter nonsense.

When the authors of these CQs don't check their work and come up with these nonsensical answers, it just leaves participants wondering "Why did I even bother?"

That is exactly what myself and others are wondering right now. Why did we bother? Truly? We take the time to work these out; is it unreasonable to expect the author to do the same, maybe maybe even have someone check his/her work before publication? Peer-review: Top-tier science journals do that; it is why they are Top-Tier science journals.

"The figure eight path allows the spacecraft to remain almost equidistant from the centers of the earth and the moon."

You've got to be kidding. For starters, somebody please tell that author what 'equidistant' means? Please? We'll take it from there.

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